EV road tax

[addjunkie]

You want to come over here and do some Welsh driving where we have zillions of 20 mph /26 km/h speed limits and even more of the raised berms we call sleeping policemen that are there to stop speeders.
When you see the damager to the tops of these mounds you'll understand how easy it is to rip the bottom of a car up, driving any thing like low slung or low profile tyred cars is just asking for problems so is bumping up kerbstones etc . Local authorities have themselves covered legally as all the humps in Wales these days are well sign posted .

Last night on the way home from the big city, heavy rain, gusty winds, I went over a but of tree in the road. I was in my pickup, gave the bottom a hell of a clatter, so much so Ill need to have a look for later for any damage. One of my daughters did similar a few moths ago, it ripped off part of the plastic under body protection. The estimate from ford to fix was 1000 quid, her hubby fixed it with epoxy and cable ties. Had it been the bottom of the battery things could have been very different.

As an aside the other daughter sells minis, they have leccy ones for immediate delivery, then again Landrover have new Defenders for immediate delivery but the road tax is an eye watering 2600 notes, which I doubt will help the resale value.

Common sense tells us nothing is going to be free for ever, free road tax was a sales pitch to get buyin. Though maybe they need to rewrite the terminology as currently its all about emissions. Roads need funding Id prefer to see pay per miles coz we dont do many, but it would require more big brother tracking drivers and the tin foil hat brigade would just be up in arms about all the data gathering.

 

[premmington]

Last night on the way home from the big city, heavy rain, gusty winds, I went over a but of tree in the road. I was in my pickup, gave the bottom a hell of a clatter, so much so Ill need to have a look for later for any damage. One of my daughters did similar a few moths ago, it ripped off part of the plastic under body protection. The estimate from ford to fix was 1000 quid, her hubby fixed it with epoxy and cable ties. Had it been the bottom of the battery things could have been very different.

As an aside the other daughter sells minis, they have leccy ones for immediate delivery, then again Landrover have new Defenders for immediate delivery but the road tax is an eye watering 2600 notes, which I doubt will help the resale value.

"new Defenders for immediate delivery but the road tax is an eye watering 2600 notes, which I doubt will help the resale value."

Ouch...

 

[addjunkie]

"new Defenders for immediate delivery but the road tax is an eye watering 2600 notes, which I doubt will help the resale value."

Ouch...

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But as a promotion the first years is included in the price!

 

[ajlelectronics]

Add a Reliant Robin,,,having travelled in one in high winds on Barton flyover.

Interesting experience! Anything lightweight suffers the same way, yet for some reason my BMW K1200LT doesn't seem to be much affected. My own Mk1 Robin used to fly, 90MPH indicated and I noticed the leading edges of the doors opening due to the air pressure created.

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

The full electric vehicles apparently do more damage to the road than ICE.

I keep reading/hearing this a lot...just sounds like a load of cobblers to me!

I'm assuming this is an argument based on kerb weight...if so then I'm afraid there are some very (unnecessarily) heavy ICE vehicles around and nobody suggests those are destroying the roads!

 

[Morris]

This should really concern cyclists?

Self-driving cars expected to be on UK roads in two years, transport minister says

Self-driving cars which will enable people to have their hands off the wheel are expected on UK roads from 2026, according to the Transport…

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When we were in San Francisco there were driverless Jaguar Fpace's going around the City all day long. They coped very well in the swirling chaos. We only saw one stop with what I assume was a fault (or flat battery) and that pulled over and put it's hazards on.

 

[CompoSimmonite]

Add a Reliant Robin,,,having travelled in one in high winds on Barton flyover.

I had a LOT of fun driving my 1968 Reliant Supervan III on just a full motorbike licence back in mid 70's. Especially in snow !

 

[Greeves246]

Had a couple of Reliants, and a Bond Bug. That was fun.

 

[DanZac]

keep reading/hearing this a lot...just sounds like a load of cobblers to me!

I'm assuming this is an argument based on kerb weight...if so then I'm afraid there are some very (unnecessarily) heavy ICE vehicles around and nobody suggests those are destroying the roads!

They should be though!

I'd suspect that the expansion of the SUV and ever heavier, more powerful cars, has a major role to play in the ever decreasing state of our roads, however they be powered.

 

[Farside]

I keep reading/hearing this a lot...just sounds like a load of cobblers to me!

I'm assuming this is an argument based on kerb weight...if so then I'm afraid there are some very (unnecessarily) heavy ICE vehicles around and nobody suggests those are destroying the roads!

Half a ton of battery and excellent torque figures suggest otherwise.

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

Half a ton of battery and excellent torque figures suggest otherwise.

VED based on kerb weight is an excellent idea...anything that reduces the number of unnecessary 4x4s driving around London is a positive IMHO.

 

[Seadog]

VED based on kerb weight is an excellent idea...anything that reduces the number of unnecessary 4x4s driving around London is a positive IMHO.

Except it won't.

 

[voipio]

When approaching a roundabout, for example on the A217 stretch from M25 Leatherhead Reigate towards Banstead, which is all 40mph ASL cameras.

Fixed that.

 

[Gragson]

I'm not anti EV but work have taken the decision that all company cars will be E from now on, no hybrids either.
I asked for exemption due to a lot of EU travel and the stress and impracticality of it, car is due next year and need to choose.

Currently have a Volvo hybrid estate, looked on their website and all Volvo had were SUVs, thought must be a mistake, asked them on chat and they said they were no longer producing saloons and estates for the UK market, just SUVs - what???

Spoke to our carfleet manager and he said there is no way I can be made exempt, I said in that case I would fly to Rotterdam, Brussels, Dusseldorf etc, he said that's fine and I can also opt out, take the cash and buy whatever car I wanted - Total greenwashing to get the company to its net zero BS number...

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

Total greenwashing to get the company to its net zero BS number...

More likely its due to the huge incentives available to companies buying EV's I would have thought

 

[eddie49]

More likely its due to the huge incentives available to companies buying EV's I would have thought

Maybe the employees also like the 2% Benefit-in-Kind tax rate on their company car when it is an EV?

 

[ukracer]

I'm not anti EV but work have taken the decision that all company cars will be E from now on, no hybrids either.
I asked for exemption due to a lot of EU travel and the stress and impracticality of it, car is due next year and need to choose.

Currently have a Volvo hybrid estate, looked on their website and all Volvo had were SUVs, thought must be a mistake, asked them on chat and they said they were no longer producing saloons and estates for the UK market, just SUVs - what???

Spoke to our carfleet manager and he said there is no way I can be made exempt, I said in that case I would fly to Rotterdam, Brussels, Dusseldorf etc, he said that's fine and I can also opt out, take the cash and buy whatever car I wanted - Total greenwashing to get the company to its net zero BS number...

Is flying not just counter productive but using a bigger footprint of non green credentials.

 

[DAPPH]

That was obvious a couple of years ago that sooner or later the shortfall in revenue would be planned for and some other measures taken to make up for it.
Having seperate metering is practical, but clumsy. There's no reason why smart metering can't talk to the car and charge (hah) accordingly.

That is exactly what the third generation of EV chargers do , our was change out FOC three weeks ago . We tell the pod when we would like to charge ..usually low tariff and the power company's computer brain brings it on line when there is " Space " in the loading , So far we have always managed a full174 mile top up on low rate when we have asked for it . We can also charge in peak times at peak rates at home which is a lot cheaper than public charging or motorway charging if we needed it during days of 160 mile runs and needing another charge for a night time journey or to make sure we have the juice in the box if needed.


We will soon be feeding juice into the mains from our power wall and eventually perhaps from our plugged in cars. ( AKA " the Smart web ") I suspect the power company bean counters have already crunched the figures and see it as being far cheaper to use the punters investment in battery set up's to draw power from , instead of finding & investing £ zillions over 10 years or more before they get a return or start generating.


It's all about thinking ahead and changing your driving habits in the first few months of having an EV . It might be revealing if we get a ripsnorter of freezing weather with several feet of snow ,

 

[DAPPH]

Maybe the employees also like the 2% Benefit-in-Kind tax rate on their company car when it is an EV?

They get the cheaper fuel and much reduced servicing costs benefit . which also often means a company can still keep the same level of workforce if they have big savings .

 

[Kram]

Fixed that.

Ah, pedantic Yes Leatherhead is the next one that I avoid as its a bit further and slower, tho maps always trys to send me that way.