EV road tax

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

Gave up driving Audis 3 years ago, so now it is hard to be a "badass" in a Volvo even tho it accelerates quicker than most most Audis

Audi Diesels....hard to keep up with them...once they activate the Audi anti pursuit smoke screen feature .

 

[Colin Barron]

Gave up driving Audis 3 years ago, so now it is hard to be a "badass" in a Volvo even tho it accelerates quicker than most most Audis
Motorcycles all my life, so have always been a bit of an indicating pedant, letting the Audi and Volvo rep down...

Although ironic...

Electric car vandalised by climate activists in Bristol

The owner says he found it "comical" after a leaflet was left saying he drives a "gas guzzler".

www.bbc.co.uk

Maybe a better letter saying, we have let you tyres down down to help you get in as your stature does not match your ego..

Volvo non rusting body and vw/Audi D5 engine, manual gearbox, for me is the answer to reasonable cost and reliable motoring.

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

Volvo non rusting body and vw/Audi D5 engine, manual gearbox

Best combo the D5 with manual gearbox....until ULEZ came along and ruined it that is .

I gave mine away on 185k....it's still going strong!

 

[prepman]

The electric bus that went up in flames is of interest. Might be totally unrelated to the batteries, but doesn't look good?

 

[ajlelectronics]

The electric bus that went up in flames is of interest. Might be totally unrelated to the batteries, but doesn't look good?

There were 2 others that caught fire from the same fleet a couple of years ago. The lot were 'inspected' and pronounced safe.

 

[prepman]

There were 2 others that caught fire from the same fleet a couple of years ago. The lot were 'inspected' and pronounced safe.

Hmm. Did not know that.

 

[Smallfry]

But the scrappage scheme didn't force you to buy a diesel. I know somebody who scrapped an old petrol Clio for a new petrol Clio.
And there wasn't really that much of an incentive for a private buyer to go diesel, other than most buyers simply seen the fuel economy and performance figures.

This is very true. I do not know of anyone who bought a diesel for environmental benefits, although I don't doubt some did. Thy bought them primarily for economy, and discovered in some respects that they were easier and nicer to drive.

But it WAS about saving the planet. It was about reducing CO2, which was the bogeyman back then, of which diesels produce negligible amounts. NoX was not even in the picture back then. America dropped atomic bombs on Japan because it seemed to be the right thing at the time, and were not really aware of the long term effects. (so they say)

This is the only real answer. But I expect the range anxiety remains, and I am trying to imagine the motorways services refuelling facility.

 

[Smallfry]

The electric bus that went up in flames is of interest. Might be totally unrelated to the batteries, but doesn't look good?

We will not get to hear the truth if it is to do with the batteries in any case.

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

Now it seems that most are jumping on this bandwagon, completely ignoring that EVs are just swapping one form of pollution for another,

My gut tells me that in 10-15 years we'll be well into another round of "what you bought was really terrible, you need to buy this new thing instead".

 

[Smallfry]

I was paid £2k to scrap my (perfectly good!) petrol to buy a diesel that now wouldn't qualify for ULEZ!....but the con was making us all believe that we were helping the planet by scrapping petrols to buy diesels!

My gut tells me that in 10-15 years we'll be well into another round of "what you bought was really terrible, you need to buy this new thing instead".

I think you are absolutely correct.

 

[prepman]

My gut tells me that in 10-15 years we'll be well into another round of "what you bought was really terrible, you need to buy this new thing instead".

10-15 yrs are light years away with the present exponential 'advances' in technology...shudder to think what the next couple of years will bring?
Add....and (operating) nuclear fusion still 40yrs away?

 

[Colin Barron]

I see Hertz rental in the US are flogging off 20,000 of their EV rentals and returning to petrol, reason given was repair cost.

 

[premmington]

I see Hertz rental in the US are flogging off 20,000 of their EV rentals and returning to petrol, reason given was repair cost.

Does not shock me at all - the bills I write out for EV/PHEV's at my workshop has put me off personal ownership of one for sure.

 

[Colin Barron]

My gut tells me that in 10-15 years we'll be well into another round of "what you bought was really terrible, you need to buy this new thing instead".

Even if EV is not superseded by some other fuel, battery and charging technology will render them obsolete long before 15 years

 

[premmington]

Even if EV is not superseded by some other fuel, battery and charging technology will render them obsolete long before 15 years

What is the lifespan of a mobile phone - before tech and upgrades render them useless...?

 

[Colin Barron]

What is the lifespan of a mobile phone - before tech and upgrades render them useless...?

A £900 iphone at a 6year life about £150 per year and about 0.2 kg of landfill.
Average EV 2000kg which is difficult/uneconomical to recycle, £35000 life expectancy 12 years, so about £3k per annum. Annual new loss is increased by manufacturers reducing the new price If an Iphone is looked after they are reliable they don't require maintenance. The promise on ev of cheap running (electric) has not materialised. There may be less parts on an ev but cheap servicing and repair has not happened yet. With manufacturers dropping new car prices the situation is even worse for Mr average new buyer who keeps a car for 2 or 3 years.

Chademo (Nissan Leaf, for instance) is still a reasonable charging option. Being phased out on new chargers but not dead yet. Charging facilities will outlast the cars, I expect - and still home charging sets for local usage, anyway.

Yes, there may be more advances, but DC current will still be the same, the now probably millions of CCS connections around the globe will not be phased out in a hurry. Less efficient, maybe, but not obsolete from the point of them not being available.

Try another. Try again. Not doing too well with your anti-EV ideas.

I did see a youtube video on a Ferrari electric drive conversion where they compared the charging system from 2 years previous. The new one was half the size and charged the car in a fraction of the time. Ev technology is still at the Ford model T stage compared to where it will be in 10 years time, that is unless someone comes up with something different.

 

[willie.macleod]

Chademo (Nissan Leaf, for instance) is still a reasonable charging option. Being phased out on new chargers but not dead yet. Charging facilities will outlast the cars, I expect - and still home charging sets for local usage, anyway.

Indeed, my Leaf has a type 1 connector and a chademo connector both of which would be deemed well out of date. I have a type 2 to type 1 adapter and all the rapids locally have chademo options, including 4 which are brand new. We are starting to see lightweight CCS-chademo adapters come onto the market opening up even more charging options.

 

[premmington]

A £900 iphone at a 6year life about £150 per year and about 0.2 kg of landfill.
Average EV 2000kg which is difficult/uneconomical to recycle, £35000 life expectancy 12 years, so about £3k per annum. Annual new loss is increased by manufacturers reducing the new price If an Iphone is looked after they are reliable they don't require maintenance. The promise on ev of cheap running (electric) has not materialised. There may be less parts on an ev but cheap servicing and repair has not happened yet. With manufacturers dropping new car prices the situation is even worse for Mr average new buyer who keeps a car for 2 or 3 years.

I did see a youtube video on a Ferrari electric drive conversion where they compared the charging system from 2 years previous. The new one was half the size and charged the car in a fraction of the time. Ev technology is still at the Ford model T stage compared to where it will be in 10 years time, that is unless someone comes up with something different.

I got 7yrs out of my last low spec (cheap) Samsung Smartphone - so I did well.

 

[Colin Barron]

I got 7yrs out of my last low spec (cheap) Samsung Smartphone - so I did well.

I would still be using a Nokia if my daughter had not suggested a Christmas Iphone upgrade for my wife a few years ago then my daughter upgraded so again the offer of cast offs.

 

[ukracer]

Chademo (Nissan Leaf, for instance) is still a reasonable charging option. Being phased out on new chargers but not dead yet. Charging facilities will outlast the cars, I expect - and still home charging sets for local usage, anyway.

Yes, there may be more advances, but DC current will still be the same, the now probably millions of CCS connections around the globe will not be phased out in a hurry. Less efficient, maybe, but not obsolete from the point of them not being available.

Try another. Try again. Not doing too well with your anti-EV ideas.

I think premmington summed it up best.