Gas bottle valve help needed please

[al johnson]

That's the one! You get one as well?

 

[mr migwire]

ive just realised your avatar is the mother of all fry ups sardine... makes me hungry...

 

[sardine]

It makes me cry.

I'm not allowed any good stuff anymore, after me heart attack. Its low cholesterol from now on, basically rabbit food.

 

[Parm]

You have a legally binding letter from Calor that allows you legal ownership of the bottle, and a risk assessment filed with the HSE, and are going to laboratory test the emissions of this stove to comply with EU regulations ?

Let's not confuse mAtters here and give H&S bad press. Legal ownership of the bottle is nothing to do with HSE. If there is any doubt about ownership then it may be a criminal or civil matter that is nothing to do with HSE, at worst it may be an issue of theft taken up by the owner of the bottle which may be quite difficult to prove as there is this thing called orphaned bottles. Such bottles despite owners markings etc are left in the system cause it's just too bloody expensive to round em all up. Secondly HSE have no jurisdiction over a private individual conducting works in his backyard workshop, if it goes pear shaped then just too bad, I would always suggest that the correct precautions are taken or else it could be your last project

Finally with emissions regs this is a complicated minefield requiring multiple multiple inputs, have you never lit a bonfire and burnt the odd carpet etc? Burning wood although dirty is allot cleaner than most fossil fuels. I can provide quite extensive data if interested.

Please don't give H&S bad press, as you will see I have given OP plenty of good advice on how to remove valve correctly. It's not for me to say or summize how bottle may have been obtained. Incidentally calor are quite a big client of the firm I work for and for liability purposes (very specifically not H&S) will never give or sell bottles to the best of my knowledge. Site at stoney Stanton crushes bottles for the scrapper when done

 

[DAPPH]

Choosing the gas bottles that do not have contracts associated with their purchase is the way to go .. West Wales Gas are a one way bottles , are around in such numbers that apparently the local farmers who use them a lot are being hounded to get rid of their large numbers of empties at extortionate costs to themselves .

I understand that there are other companies selling gas bottles up & down the country that are also one way bottles .

 

[al johnson]

So just waiting to pick up my metal then I can get started, weather permitting I should be on the road come the weekend

 

[phill d]

Calor gas bottles are fare game for anyone to cut up and make good use of them, the more the merrier I say.
calor have been ripping people off for enough years by not giving back any refund on the bottles unless you have original receipts.

plus fancy making a bottle that is so usefull !!!! that was asking for trouble.

keep making these little fires, they are keeping Britain tidy.

and the valves come of dead easy, just use a long bar and steady push and they open up.
no point belting them they just don't move like that. nice long steady push and take the valve off.

now there is 2 easy ways to get any gas out and stop the contents being flammable,
1st is the fill it with water.
and second.... fumes from a car exhaust will kill any dangerous fumes from inside a vessel.
pipe from exhaust of car to whatever you want flammable fumes to come out of. it works and was shown to me by someone who
welds empty petrol tanks.



I have a 7kg in the making at the moment as only very small limited workspace.


phill

 

[mr migwire]

Calor gas bottles are fare game for anyone to cut up and make good use of them, the more the merrier I say.
calor have been ripping people off for enough years by not giving back any refund on the bottles unless you have original receipts.

plus fancy making a bottle that is so usefull !!!! that was asking for trouble.

keep making these little fires, they are keeping Britain tidy.

and the valves come of dead easy, just use a long bar and steady push and they open up.
no point belting them they just don't move like that. nice long steady push and take the valve off.

now there is 2 easy ways to get any gas out and stop the contents being flammable,
1st is the fill it with water.
and second.... fumes from a car exhaust will kill any dangerous fumes from inside a vessel.
pipe from exhaust of car to whatever you want flammable fumes to come out of. it works and was shown to me by someone who
welds empty petrol tanks.



I have a 7kg in the making at the moment as only very small limited workspace.


phill

they might well look at the continent where they seem to use glass fibre for making propane and butane tanks, seen a few in campers coming back from foreign lands.
but I would imagine its cheaper to mate the steel ones or it may be good ole uk HSE don't like the glass ones.....

the sooner calor start paying deposits back the sooner I will stop pulling there bottles out of the local stream and turning them into burners...

 

[al johnson]

Picked up my bits and pieces so I hope to get started on Sunday, the flue pipe was scrap but not to me, 4 inch pipe 3mm thick and 74 inches long so by the time it sits on the stove I should a good 2 feet at least of clearance.

Would it be easier cutting ithe flue pipe just above the stove then putting the damper in then welding the top half on?

I noticed that flue flashings on the e of bay are silly prices, have you guys found a cheaper way of sealing the roof where the flue pops out?

 

[eSCHEn]

Dektite Al. Should be fairly inexpensive for a small diameter pipe.

 

[outofthefire]

I noticed that flue flashings on the e of bay are silly prices, have you guys found a cheaper way of sealing the roof where the flue pops out?

I took mine out through the wall, it seemed easier to me.

 

[sardine]

Let's not confuse mAtters here and give H&S bad press. Legal ownership of the bottle is nothing to do with HSE. If there is any doubt about ownership then it may be a criminal or civil matter that is nothing to do with HSE, at worst it may be an issue of theft taken up by the owner of the bottle which may be quite difficult to prove as there is this thing called orphaned bottles. Such bottles despite owners markings etc are left in the system cause it's just too bloody expensive to round em all up. Secondly HSE have no jurisdiction over a private individual conducting works in his backyard workshop, if it goes pear shaped then just too bad, I would always suggest that the correct precautions are taken or else it could be your last project

Finally with emissions regs this is a complicated minefield requiring multiple multiple inputs, have you never lit a bonfire and burnt the odd carpet etc? Burning wood although dirty is allot cleaner than most fossil fuels. I can provide quite extensive data if interested.

Please don't give H&S bad press, as you will see I have given OP plenty of good advice on how to remove valve correctly. It's not for me to say or summize how bottle may have been obtained. Incidentally calor are quite a big client of the firm I work for and for liability purposes (very specifically not H&S) will never give or sell bottles to the best of my knowledge. Site at stoney Stanton crushes bottles for the scrapper when done

Naturally my post was not serious. And I didn't infer the HSE had anything to do with the ownership of the bottle, I inferred they would be interested in when you cut it open . you've taken it all way too seriously there.

 

[phill d]

cheap way to have the pipe coming out the roof and water proof is fire cement.
make a simple plate and put a good dollop of fire proof cement under it. get the stuff for wood burners and solid fuel stoves, its very cheap at screwfix

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phill