hidden terms?jasic?

[HughF]

Saw a dynasty 200 go for 1500 quid the other week, so as you say, bargains are out there, just trawl eBay and something will come up.

 

[Shox Dr]

Buyer beware. As they say, certainly someone looking for a set, will consider warranty a massive part of the dicision on which brand/colour/sticker they buy.

5yrs must be one of the longest offered and a big pull.

If there is a requirement to have the unit serviced every year to validate the 5yrs. Then It really should have been pointed out to the customer at the time of purchase. As ultimately they may only find out, breakdown and failure to have the unit serviced.

So relinquishing the dealer and manufacturer of the repair at thier cost.

I'd be less than happy.


(I've just looked up Kemppi and they state one shift per 24hr = 2yr. 2xshift per 24r results in only 1year warranty.)

 

[Richard.]

I guess then those who buy from sellers on the net who might be 300-400 miles away, need to get machines back to sellers for service, or compromise warranty terms?

I would guess so. Buying off the net by ticking boxes isn't always the best option. Id sooner pay more if buying new and build a relationship with my local dealer.

 

[Richard.]

Buyer beware. As they say, certainly someone looking for a set, will consider warranty a massive part of the dicision on which brand/colour/sticker they buy.

5yrs must be one of the longest offered and a big pull.

If there is a requirement to have the unit serviced every year to validate the 5yrs. Then It really should have been pointed out to the customer at the time of purchase. As ultimately they may only find out, breakdown and failure to have the unit serviced.

So relinquishing the dealer and manufacturer of the repair at thier cost.

I'd be less than happy.


(I've just looked up Kemppi and they state one shift per 24hr = 2yr. 2xshift per 24r results in only 1year warranty.)

Defo always worth asking the question and getting things crystal before parting with the cash. Although things might not be hidden they are sometimes not always easy to see. God knows what the Rehm warranty is. As mine is 4 years old I'm footing the bill if it goes pop.

 

[Richard.]

Saw a dynasty 200 go for 1500 quid the other week, so as you say, bargains are out there, just trawl eBay and something will come up.

That's not a bargain IMO. They could be had brand new for £2500.
I paid £900 for the Rehm used and I attached a cooler, pedal, and Ck for another 600. Same price as the dynasty you mention but the torch and pedal were brand new for mine.

 

[Tom Orrow L]

Most of the machines we sell online are serviced yearly by the buyers local distributor / local approved service agent as far as I am aware. We rarely have services of machines from remote buyers come in to us, just locally purchased machines.
When it comes to machines being returned for warranty repairs some manufacturers will pay for the return of the items (Parweld for instance) others will ask for the customer to return the item to their HQ at their cost, which is usually around £10 (dependent on machine size and weight), and then they return at their own cost which I think is relatively fair. The latter is the case with Jasic.

 

[ewmIreland]

That's not a bargain IMO. They could be had brand new for £2500.
I paid £900 for the Rehm used and I attached a cooler, pedal, and Ck for another 600. Same price as the dynasty you mention but the torch and pedal were brand new for mine.

Who's selling dynastys new for 2500?

 

[Richard.]

I've seen em around that figure since the release of the 210. It was an estimate perhaps they are more? Point been £1500 for a used one isn't a bargain it's not bad but certainly not cheap.

 

[ewmIreland]

The 200's havent dropped in price yet.still over 3k to buy new.1500 to 2000 is the going rate used,the output is higher than a 210 on 110v so are still popular on sites.
same price commanded for a used lincoln v205t

 

[Richard.]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...-p.asp&usg=AFQjCNELO36O8Kke3mvox51ZNPGll_wcLw
Over 2.5 yes but still just under 3k. There are a couple sites selling at this price. They have dropped since the new one. They used to be well over 3k.

 

[Chris Stevens]

Saw a dynasty 200 go for 1500 quid the other week, so as you say, bargains are out there, just trawl eBay and something will come up.

There was a 3phase Magicwave complete with cooler on about a month ago, looked almost new. Sold for £1800 I think, but relisted due to timewaster and second time round made over £2k. Looked a very nice machine, and I would guess probably very low hours (which can be checked).

 

[wyn]

As a matter of interest how many posters on this thread have needed to make a warranty claim of any kind? If annual service is a condition of said warranty, does the service need to be carried out by the supplying dealer, or an agent of the equipment manufacturer?

I had to use the Lorch warranty 3 weeks before the end of the 3 years.

All sorted out with no problems and no yearly service needed.

 

[ewmIreland]

Just.for a machine with no leads.either way,when one comes up at 1500 they dont last long.they are bigger and heavier than a rehm,but a better all rounder

 

[Richard.]

Just.for a machine with no leads.either way,when one comes up at 1500 they dont last long.they are bigger and heavier than a rehm,but a better all rounder

How are they better.
Not arguing the statement but I've used both machines and personally can't see any advantages other than local support and the 110v option.

 

[Richard.]

The Rehm also has advantages over the Miller, I'd say evenly matched but happy to be proved wrong of course.

 

[Richard.]

There was a 3phase Magicwave complete with cooler on about a month ago, looked almost new. Sold for £1800 I think, but relisted due to timewaster and second time round made over £2k. Looked a very nice machine, and I would guess probably very low hours (which can be checked).

I saw that. What a deal for a powerful top top end package. Must be 6k new.

 

[ewmIreland]

In my opinion of course.could debate it all night without proving much

 

[Richard.]

In my opinion of course.could debate it all night without proving much

Opinions are not supposed to be based on literature and pictures. I don't for a minute believe you have welded with a Rehm tiger 210 acdc.
But as its your opinion I respect it.
I have used both and can find advantages easily on both. There are better welders out there than Rehm which I've also found through extensive usage of different ones. Miller is evenly matched not better. That's my opinion. (Based on use)

 

[ewmIreland]

Literature and pictures....u forgot google and facebook

 

[Wedg1e]

Personally I wouldn't buy any of them (jasic, Rtech, TA, parweld etc etc).
It's like water coolers. You need to read the warranty terms very carefully as it's easy to miss the point that the warranty immediately becomes void the moment you fill it with car antifreeze.

Interesting: I've been an industrial x-ray systems tech for over 20 years and their water coolers are nigh-on identical to those I've worked on from welding sets (sliding graphite vane pump, radiator, thermostat, flow switch)... every x-ray system maker going INSISTS you fill the cooling system with car antifreeze (Comet of Switzerland even go as far as telling you the VW part number they recommend).
As the coolant acts as an anti-corrosive as well as antifreeze, what's the issue with the welding set coolers?