New LED lighting

[Rrobson]

@fizzy i have found my fluorescents perform much better when they aren’t coated in half an inch of grinding dust!
I changed a couple recently and and the difference in light output between an old grubby fluor and a new one is quite astonishing. A big downside to them is how easy they are to break. I’ve smashed one or two this last 12 month because of very low ceiling heights and if I didn’t have a good supply of these I’d have certainly swapped to led. The stories of them lasting a short period of time always put me off, and I don’t particularly like how leds cast shadows, areas seem to only be lit or unlit, nothing in between where as with fluorescent you seem to get a bit of bleed around objects.

 

[Seadog]

If you had a decent controller on them you would have a great disco! My brother has them all over his bedroom and can set them up to have multi coloured displays with lights chasing each other all over the room

I did think of that, after I'd put them up

 

[fizzy]

@fizzy i have found my fluorescents perform much better when they aren’t coated in half an inch of grinding dust!
I changed a couple recently and and the difference in light output between an old grubby fluor and a new one is quite astonishing. A big downside to them is how easy they are to break. I’ve smashed one or two this last 12 month because of very low ceiling heights and if I didn’t have a good supply of these I’d have certainly swapped to led. The stories of them lasting a short period of time always put me off, and I don’t particularly like how leds cast shadows, areas seem to only be lit or unlit, nothing in between where as with fluorescent you seem to get a bit of bleed around objects.

That's the problem people aren't comparing like for like. The difference in just cleaning the diffuser with warm soapy water is incredible.
I have a mix of new LEDs v fluorescent and the difference per watt is negligible. LEDs are so much easier to install though.

 

[daleyd]

People replace knackered ancient light fittings with LEDs and think wow! A lot of it is down to colour temperature. Whiter lights appear brighter even though they aren't. When you look at the actual lumens output between LED per watt and traditional fluorescent there isn't much difference. Throw in the poor lifespan and I think the savings are debatable. The main advantage of LEDs are they are much easier to install.

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58w and 5200lm = 90lm per watt

See hardly any difference at all.

Bigger differences between a proper led fitting and just a tube replacement though, proper fittings give something over 115-130 lumens/watt. Sticking an led tube in a fitting designed for fluorescent tubes is always going to be a compromise...

 

[Blobber]

Ive a few LEDs in use and not saying they are a bad thing but personally I think the whole LED thing is a miss selling scandal with life expectancy, the amount that have gone to landfill already must be huge!

 

[Hood]

Even if that were the case that might be much less mass and reduced toxicity - than fluorescents going the same way. Buy cheap, buy twice is an age-old adage which a lot of people either don’t understand or choose to ignore.

That is why I went with Philips, big name, bit more expensive and should be good but in reality they are totally crap and have been from the start. The Lapp battens I have in the plasma shed have been in there for probably 5 or 6 years and still going strong, have never flickered unlike the bloody Philips rubbish.

 

[fizzy]

That is why I went with Philips, big name, bit more expensive and should be good but in reality they are totally crap and have been from the start. The Lapp battens I have in the plasma shed have been in there for probably 5 or 6 years and still going strong, have never flickered unlike the bloody Philips rubbish.

My lap 5w gu10 replacements haven't been much good. Don't last long at all. The tubes are fine for now but don't get much use since I upgraded all the warehouse lights.

 

[brightspark]

get the enlite gu10 replacements thats all i ever supply and fit only ever had 5 faulty ones out of over 100 and they got replaced free after 2 years

 

[blackolive (Ste)]

I’d been watching this thread as was thinking of upgrading the garage with led.

Just been to the tip and helped a guy out with a filing cabinet into the wood skip. he just so happened to be skipping a discovery boot full of new 600x1200 60 watt led panels and ip68 led strip fittings, what are the chances

 

[MickeyW]

I have found the Led replacements for the G9s in our kitchen are useless. Too yellow and they keep blowing.

We have LED GU10 units in every room downstairs in the house. I am constantly replacing them - probably go through a box of 10 in 6 months. I have found the more expensive brands seem to last a bit longer but still nowhere near as long as I'd hope. The old 60w filament bulbs used to last several years and were a fraction of the price. I'm struggling to see using LEDs actually saving me money.

 

[blackolive (Ste)]

Going to need shades. Theres 6 60 watt panels with drivers (one looks like a customer return) . 4 36 watt panels, and 9 110v IP65 non corrosive flourescents, which I think I will stick on marketplace. Just need some timber batten frames up

 

[Shox Dr]

Follow-up.

These LED battens are 3.5 yrs old and getting a bit tired in their light output. That wasn't bothering me too much but now one has gone out completely, so I am rplacing them like for like. I figure the energy savings alone from moving away from tube lights is enough to warrant it. 8no 5ft LED battens are now £135 which is only £13 more than in 2019 which I think is not bad.

Have to say I would not be replacing them with the same type again except that these are just swap-out on the same clips and electrical fittings. I would have hoped to get more lifespan out of them although, they have racked up a lot of hours since I fitted them.

Hope you are lucky and get the same connector. Fitted for about the same time as yourself, bought some more from the same supplier and the connectors are not compatible. I dont see a drop in performance, though mine havent been on much this last 2yrs.

 

[blackolive (Ste)]

Full shift on fitting the panels. Even Betsy is impressed

Just need to tidy up now

 

[Pete.]

Hope you are lucky and get the same connector. Fitted for about the same time as yourself, bought some more from the same supplier and the connectors are not compatible. I dont see a drop in performance, though mine havent been on much this last 2yrs.

Got them in the week and just fitted a couple. They are a direct swap so no problem there.

Here is a new one plugged into an old one. This one was one of the better ones, some were dark 6" from the end and one had gone off completely.

 

[blackolive (Ste)]

Ive put some left over laminate underlay
Under the carpet tiles where I stand at the bench. What a long day

 

[500e]

The 6 Ft Phillip's ones saved me more money 2 stopped working after 2 years the other one went to 50% working intermittently all the rest of the house and outside lights are at least 4 years old those 3 were the last to be changed trying 3 x Osram now.
All the main workshop lights Hi bay are over 6/7 years now no problems about 20 batten ones all ok a couple of flood's have failed but one was replaced UG after over 3 years

 

[8ob]

Its all a tad confusing, I have resigned myself to having to change these tubes on a regular basis and now buy local so I can take them back. Just looking at lum output vs watts, typically about 90 lums per watt with tubes vs 130+ lums per watt with the hibay led`s. In time I think I may swap over to the hibay type.

Bob

 

[Stupoty]

I have found the LED`s are falling way short of their "guaranteed" life expectancy, I dont think mine are on for five hours a day seven days a week and I have changed most of them inside three years. That's a tenth of their supposed life expectancy, also noticed they start to generate a lot of heat when they are on the way out so probably using a lot more leccy to run them. Jury is still out whether they are a good idea or not.

Bob

I started writing the install date on my led lamps (started with them long life compact florescents) when I put them in as I've had a few go kapoot in the first year.

Since I did that they haven't been going pop so quickly , is this smart lamps maybe ?



Stu

 

[DAPPH]

Yep, the stuff that goes in skips on site verges on criminal. Could have filled the car up yesterday with lengths of BZP studding. None under 2'.

That could have sold well on here securely taped to a bit of baton ,

 

[DAPPH]

We had 3 fail at work so I saved them to see if a repair was possible. All 3 had one half of the LED'S failed and the power supplies were giving similar voltages so I cobbled one together. It came on nice and bright and lasted about 30 seconds, I guess the voltage regulators are gubbed.

Likely you need to run small groups of them through a surge protector/ filter to kill any voltage spikes on the input voltage. as well as look at how any induced voltage spike can be generated if several mains cables run in close parallel with each other.
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