Plug wiring for MW3000 remote help

[Richard.]

I can always relist it I guess, shouldnt lose too much.

Was it the one on eBay with mma leads for £1900?

 

[Hood]

It can be made easily
The only tricky part is the square notch on the dins. I’m sure your kit could cut that out mind. Other than that it’s a simple lathe job.
No drawing I’m afraid. I’ll find a pic

Square holes really need broached in some way but I have seen ones that seem to be pressed in so possibly the key is rounded at one end and pressed in.

 

[Richard.]

The water cooled version is a little more complicated but this is relatively easy
3/8bsp on one end, that strange dinse the other. Hole through the middle.

 

[Hood]

Is the large diameter standard size for a dinse? If so then it may be fairly easy to start off with one of them and thus not have to bother messing with the key.

 

[Richard.]

Is the large diameter standard size for a dinse? If so then it may be fairly easy to start off with one of them and thus not have to bother messing with the key.

No it’s even easier than that. The other end is 3/8bsp male thread

 

[Hood]

No it’s even easier than that. The other end is 3/8bsp male thread

I think we are at crossed purposes here.
I am meaning if the dia arrowed in the pic below is the same as a standard dinse then it may be quite easy to use one of them to make the adapter. The key is the hard part really, so if you already have that done then it simplifies making them.

 

[Richard.]

Not sure. I haven’t got one to measure now. If the op has the original torch he will know.
This is how the adapters work
Bad sketch but you get the idea.

 

[Hood]

Yes, might be very easy to make if the dia of the keyed section is standard dinse.
Assuming it is the same dia and length then you would bore through the standard dinse, you could then either thread or just leave a plain bore.
Make up a front piece with the 'O' Ring and depending on the method chosen previously, thread or push into the bored out dinse.
The other end could then be adapted in a few ways with an extra bit turned up that has the 3 outlets in it and probably the easiest way would be to use the screw of the standard (Cable) dinse to hold the back end in and just have an 'O' Ring seal on it or as before a press fit.

 

[Richard.]

If you can make them easy and relatively cheap you could make a nice little earner. Not only are those adapters very expensive but they are not easy to come by. I got lucky with mine. The last time I saw a water cooled one was on rapids site for £200 inc vat. Even the water cooled one wouldn’t be too difficult. It’s just drilling the two channels and tapping for barbed fittings.

 

[Hood]

Ok quick drawing showing the three sections.

 

[Hood]

If you can make them easy and relatively cheap you could make a nice little earner. Not only are those adapters very expensive but they are not easy to come by. I got lucky with mine. The last time I saw a water cooled one was on rapids site for £200 inc vat. Even the water cooled one wouldn’t be too difficult. It’s just drilling the two channels and tapping for barbed fittings.

Probably not worth my time making them as volume would be low. I am more thinking of a way a standard one could be adapted for someone with a lathe to easily make for themselves.

 

[Hood]

BTW the above drawing is not to scale and bores and diameters would be different and likely lengths as well, it was meant simply as an illustration of what was in my head for an easy enough way to adapt a standard dinse with the addition of two turned sections.

 

[D5meister]

Hi all, blimey you lot are industrious.



Richard, I did not get a torch and do not have one currently. I dont want to make any more unforced errors.
I did have a new one that I wanted to graft onto my mig (with other mods) but its buried in garage and I havent seen it for 10yrs plus.



The machine was up for 2k, then it reduced to 1850 a week or so later. I made lots of silly offers, then a guy offered 1750, so I was about to loose it. I did buy it now at 1850. It was 200 more than I wanted to pay.


(It only has a ground lead and a stick cable/stinger.)



I spoke to the seller today and he said it was used from new by him in a fab/repair shop for about 2years, the group was wound up and he was offered the kit from his work, this was last Aug and hes done litte with it at home since. He has never used it with a pedal ever, only with a button on the torch. Nice chap.



I have a pillar drill, angle grinder, Vice, dremmel, micrometer, vernier. I can solder really well. The square key could be cut and soldered into place. Solder holds 4tonnes/Sq inch if done right.


(I dont have a cooler and dont plan on weldng at say 200 amps plus where an air cooled torch will smoke your pinkie.)

I could make a cooler, I have a pump from a washing machine, (maybe use one from a PC overclock cooler) an equipment fan, I would need a heater matrix off a car as the radiator. Could do it £50 Id guess. Plus cost of the de ionised water/Glycol mix.

Ho hum, lots of chores to do at home in interim, things come in threes. Washing machine is knacked today - just spent over 700 on a new machine.

Will get welder on thursday - same day as Washer.


Thanks for the help.

I spoke to a guy in Bedford who distributes Fronius Im probably going to take the machine to him and pay 50 quid for an our of teaching my machine - he may put a pedal on and a real torch and get me going. He will know if its right or otherwise.

Steven

 

[Richard.]

Hi all, blimey you lot are industrious.



Richard, I did not get a torch and do not have one currently. I dont want to make any more unforced errors.
I did have a new one that I wanted to graft onto my mig (with other mods) but its buried in garage and I havent seen it for 10yrs plus.



The machine was up for 2k, then it reduced to 1850 a week or so later. I made lots of silly offers, then a guy offered 1750, so I was about to loose it. I did buy it now at 1850. It was 200 more than I wanted to pay.


(It only has a ground lead and a stick cable/stinger.)



I spoke to the seller today and he said it was used from new by him in a fab/repair shop for about 2years, the group was wound up and he was offered the kit from his work, this was last Aug and hes done litte with it at home since. He has never used it with a pedal ever, only with a button on the torch. Nice chap.



I have a pillar drill, angle grinder, Vice, dremmel, micrometer, vernier. I can solder really well. The square key could be cut and soldered into place. Solder holds 4tonnes/Sq inch if done right.


(I dont have a cooler and dont plan on weldng at say 200 amps plus where an air cooled torch will smoke your pinkie.)

I could make a cooler, I have a pump from a washing machine, (maybe use one from a PC overclock cooler) an equipment fan, I would need a heater matrix off a car as the radiator. Could do it £50 Id guess. Plus cost of the de ionised water/Glycol mix.

Ho hum, lots of chores to do at home in interim, things come in threes. Washing machine is knacked today - just spent over 700 on a new machine.

Will get welder on thursday - same day as Washer.


Thanks for the help.

I spoke to a guy in Bedford who distributes Fronius Im probably going to take the machine to him and pay 50 quid for an our of teaching my machine - he may put a pedal on and a real torch and get me going. He will know if its right or otherwise.

Steven

Little bit concerning that it doesn’t come with a torch Steven. That machine is a Fantastic machine I’ve owned one myself and would be happy to show you around it if your in the area. It’s worth every bit of £1800 all day long but the fact it doesn’t have a torch means it doesn’t get tested on the day of sale properly. This now becomes a high risk machine. He might seem like a nice chap but do you know for sure he hasn’t hid that torch away knowing you ain’t gonna get one easy and cheap so it’s gonna be a few weeks before you try it only to find out it’s got a fault in tig mode. By which time he has your cash. Had I’d of known you were looking at this quality of a welder because I’m looking to sell my tweco/lorch AC/DC shortly and would of sorted you out properly with torch, pedal, cooler and full demonstration of the machine which is what you should be looking for when spending this sort of cash. Buying used is a great way to get top class cheap however you should ALWAYS test it extensively before handing over cash.

 

[Richard.]

Another thing Steve. These magic waves have an arc Time counter on them. They will display exactly how many hours welding it’s done since new. It can’t be tampered with so it will be what it is.
It’s hidden in the back menus and most people don’t know how to find it.
I suggest on your visit you have a look mate to see if it really is a low mileage Machine.
See instructions below.

 

[D5meister]

Thanks for info - If I call him, I will ask him where the torch went.


clip from Ad on the bay.
"Equipment in reasonable condition and works perfectly fine."

I should be able to claim for losses if its a non runner from a protracted wrangle with ebay - who knows. Fingers crossed hes a man of his word and one day I will be doing some tasty welds.

Hopefully the guy I know at PWPindustrial Bedford will help get the full picture and put it thru its paces. I may be able to do this the day after I get the machine.

What town are you in Richard - I would like to look at some of your handy work sometime.
Steven

 

[Richard.]

I should be able to claim for losses if its a non runner from a protracted wrangle with ebay -

Only if you pay via PayPal and are able to return the machine. If he’s got your cash this would prove difficult to refund. I’m in Cambridge.
Your welcome to bring it round. I also offer 1 to 1 tig tuition sessions to members if you get to the stage where that might be useful.
Have you actually picked this up yet?
If not I have a suggestion. Not ideal but better than nothing. I have a torch switch with a Fronius 9 pin plug on it. You would be welcome to take it with you and plug it into the machine. At least this way you can plug it in and press the switch. You should hear a click as the solenoid comes in then a buzz from the hf. It will throw a message up on the display saying hf as it’s not striking an arc. If it does this then there is a stronger chance it’s working ok.
Don’t forget to check the arc hours too.

 

[D5meister]

It is Paypal, but I see its no returns..
Its being couriered from scotland.

Thanks for the kind offer Richard, as stated its a delivery rather than collection. I have track No etc.

Bit risky I guess.
They guy reckons he may have the torch in a box somewhere - as due to a house move everything got scattered. ?

 

[Richard.]

Its being couriered from scotland.

Your mad.
I just hope it’s a good one. PayPal is better than nothing but really only a good form of protection if the item doesn’t arrive. Faulty items are not always gonna fall on your side.
Why buy a welder without first checking it. Crackers.

 

[D5meister]

My risky bay purchase showed up about 10am this morning. They had a ball kicking it around the yard!

It survived though despite their best efforts. I took it to PWP Industrial Bedford, they only sell fronius. The guy put it thru its paces. It all came up and I got a chance to melt some steel! These machines are a little menu heavy, so I need to read up on it. I read out the total arc time and it was only about 400hours.

I got a 20L 200Bar argon bottle earlier, need filler and a reg, gloves..

At the store, we were using a fairly used torch - the one for that machine with the 2 buttons (off his demo/loan unit) and he offered me it for 150 plus vat. In the end I got it for £125plustax So dont need pedal now.

So it looks like Im away, I enjoy learning new stuff, and I may sell off my MIG (Migatronic) now as surplus.

Fancied TIG for years and years, but held out for one that did AC for ally, plus a few tricks.

My old speedglas mask does not darken with the relatively small arc from TIG - so nrrd newer type with sens and shade adjust. It wont be this month!