Recommend me a workshop heater

[James1979]

How will that change anything? They will carry on just as they do now. They don’t care whether their vehicles are running on red or white.

I was thinking about folk ive known who have both on site. Generally white is more secured than the red from what I’ve seen. Removing the colour does have the problem of proving origin right enough.

I think people will start dying their own. RMC Roadstone used to dye theirs orange, for example

 

[fizzy]

I was thinking about folk ive known who have both on site. Generally white is more secured than the red from what I’ve seen. Removing the colour does have the problem of proving origin right enough.

I think people will start dying their own. RMC Roadstone used to dye theirs orange, for example

They used to dye site petrol blue in Port Talbot steelworks. Of course the ministry never dip petrol cars and with anti syphon devices on all cars neither do their security guards.

 

[500e]

Some pictures of mates, pipe is 6 Mtrs long not the tidiest but the heat recovery from exhaust is great. Note container to collect drips

 

[James1979]

Page 23 is what you want.

Note condensate pigtail for uphill exhaust. It’s recommended to go down but in a boat it’s not normally doable

https://www.butlertechnik.com/downloads/Eberspacher_Heater_Marine_heater_Installation_Advice.pdf

 

[not done it yet]

James,

Thanks for that link - a very useful aid to fill in all the (huge) gaps for the cheapo units which provide no more than the most basic details (some of which are likely misleading - plain advertising/sales hype).

 

[fizzy]

Page 23 is what you want.

Note condensate pigtail for uphill exhaust. It’s recommended to go down but in a boat it’s not normally doable

https://www.butlertechnik.com/downloads/Eberspacher_Heater_Marine_heater_Installation_Advice.pdf

Yes very useful.

 

[GraemeVW]

Page 23 is what you want.

Note condensate pigtail for uphill exhaust. It’s recommended to go down but in a boat it’s not normally doable

https://www.butlertechnik.com/downloads/Eberspacher_Heater_Marine_heater_Installation_Advice.pdf

Is the condensate pigtails open, or would you fit a tap?
Would feel odd to leave it open but gas flow may mean that draws air in rather than let's gas out.

 

[James1979]

Shouldn’t let air in as it’s a pigtail. It’ll always have a plug of condensation in it. Or at least it should do. We always leave them open but they just drip into the bilge so no harm done.

Can’t think it would matter in real terms but I’d leave it open as that’s how they are designed

 

[GraemeVW]

Shouldn’t let air in as it’s a pigtail. It’ll always have a plug of condensation in it. Or at least it should do. We always leave them open but they just drip into the bilge so no harm done.

Can’t think it would matter in real terms but I’d leave it open as that’s how they are designed

I hadn't twigged that it will work like a u bend and hold some liquid.
That's good then. If I get one I'll try not to run the exhaust high, but at least I know it's doable if needed.

 

[skotl]

So lesson #1 ordering the diesel heater is to be sure what model you order.

Mine turned up last night and has the old fashioned potentiometer controller with no remote. I thought I'd been diddled until I looked closely at the pictures:

(note - "remote" control in that it's not mounted directly on the unit)

No biggie for me as I'd only be controlling it in the garage and have no desire (and a fear!) of turning it on and off from afar. But something to watch out for.
This variant cost me £89 on amazon and was here 48 hours after ordering. More info soon...

 

[James1979]

I hadn't twigged that it will work like a u bend and hold some liquid.
That's good then. If I get one I'll try not to run the exhaust high, but at least I know it's doable if needed.

Some folk say you need to purge / prime them by submerging in a bucket of water before you fit them but I’ve never bothered.

 

[redlig]

They can't charge electric at a different rate for cars - you can't exactly dye it red
It will mean pay per mile for all road users - God help those in rural areas!

I have a nasty feeling that the so called smart meters might well have the facility , if not now then in the future, to "talk " to whatever gadget it is supplying Lekky to and charge accordingly. Thus spawning a whole new industry of dodgy interconnectors to fool the meters.

 

[knighty]

look at it from the other side - once you have a smart meter cheap overnight power is easy to do, so you can set your car to charge overnight while it's cheap

and even better... on demand charging will become a thing (so price varies with the demand on the grid) - your smart charger will change rate of charge depending on the load on the grid (easy to do monitoring grid frequency)

and... the grid people/electric people really wants this too because it makes their job much easier, and works well with renewables

 

[not done it yet]

I have a nasty feeling that the so called smart meters might well have the facility , if not now then in the future, to "talk " to whatever gadget it is supplying Lekky to and charge accordingly. Thus spawning a whole new industry of dodgy interconnectors to fool the meters.

You think that most could not charge their cars from a “granny“ lead? A bit of an derogatory term but most know what it means. How would a meter know the difference between a plugged-in night storage heater and a BEV?

7 hours at 3kW would do, for most of my motoring.

Possibly they would rate mileage charges more leniently, for roads other than faster routes?

 

[redlig]

You think that most could not charge their cars from a “granny“ lead? A bit of an derogatory term but most know what it means. How would a meter know the difference between a plugged-in night storage heater and a BEV?

7 hours at 3kW would do, for most of my motoring.

Possibly they would rate mileage charges more leniently, for roads other than faster routes?

I admit I'm only guessing but I'm sure that within the 2/3 thousand micro chips built into the cars electronics one ,or more, will be able to communicate with the grid and identify itself as a vehicle .

 

[8ob]

Can someone explain what makes any particular electric heater "more efficient" that any other, my pea brain cant help but think if 3kw is going in 3kw has to be coming out. what sets them apart Please dont point me at a you tube vid

Bob

 

[redlig]

Can someone explain what makes any particular electric heater "more efficient" that any other, my pea brain cant help but think if 3kw is going in 3kw has to be coming out. what sets them apart Please dont point me at a you tube vid

Bob

All down to efficiency . If you watch ........................................

 

[fizzy]

I admit I'm only guessing but I'm sure that within the 2/3 thousand micro chips built into the cars electronics one ,or more, will be able to communicate with the grid and identify itself as a vehicle .

W

I admit I'm only guessing but I'm sure that within the 2/3 thousand micro chips built into the cars electronics one ,or more, will be able to communicate with the grid and identify itself as a vehicle .

Of course it is possible but it would need perhaps a Chinese or Korean car maker to install such a system just to please HMRC - doubt that will happen. Road charging will be the answer sadly.

 

[fizzy]

Can someone explain what makes any particular electric heater "more efficient" that any other, my pea brain cant help but think if 3kw is going in 3kw has to be coming out. what sets them apart Please dont point me at a you tube vid

Bob

Hit the nail on the head there.
Same as when they banned normal light bulbs they didn't allow for the fact the waste heat helped keep people's houses warm.
Along with the people who keep banging on about the energy wasted by things on standby. Firstly we are talking about milliwatts and again the tiny bit of heat again adds to your heating. Why not ban electric heaters which consume many KW?

 

[James1979]

Can someone explain what makes any particular electric heater "more efficient" that any other, my pea brain cant help but think if 3kw is going in 3kw has to be coming out. what sets them apart Please dont point me at a you tube vid

Bob

I had to look it up as I wondered. How come a 5kw heater runs off a 13a supply for example.

Apparently it’s co efficient of productivity. Who knew. A bar heater had CoP of one. At best. So 1kw in = 1kw out. A air source heat pump is 4 so 1kw of electricity produces 4kw of heat.

That’s how I interpreted it anyway. Every day is a school day!