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I'd like that as well.
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Try Google Books, this worked though the pictures have a water mark, but you can download it as a pdf.I'd like that as well.
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https://www.google.co.uk/books/edit...&gbpv=1&dq=sheffield+list&printsec=frontcover
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The video is really naff, but check out this "Fractal Vise" - amazing....
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I must correct myself... the guys smile at the beginning was naff - the rest was pretty interesting although I was a bit worried when he was brushing the metal shavings off the mill....while still running.The video is really naff, but check out this "Fractal Vise" - amazing....
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All the same - absolutely amazing vise.... vice?
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Picked up a Record No 23 fitter vice (post 1966). Didn't look too bad but wouldn't open fully and the QR was hit and miss.
Strip down was pretty straight forward, not even a seized screw to battle with.
QR problem was down the bracket for the lever that screws to the front was buckled. Apply some heat and straighten out was a simply fix. Also the spring was slack and the bracket that holds the bar in place over the screw block was upside down and the bar not hooked into it.
The opening problem was another matter. The screw was thick with a resin type substance. I can't even figure out why it was on the screw as it is mostly covered and can only think, for whatever reason, it was applied through the oiling hole. It was a pain to remove as various chemicals barely affected it so resorted to heat, although slower and messy it softened it enough to scrape out leaving a screw in perfect condition.
The body of the vice was mainly old grease but again some of the same resin stuff, especially underneath, but with brake cleaner it was able to be scraped off. It left the vice with the majority of the original paint still intact and rather than paint over it I left it in its original honest condition.
Reassemble was straight forward with cutting open the screw slots again. Jaws warn but serviceable were reused. The vice is now silky smooth with a full range of motion and working QR
Strip down was pretty straight forward, not even a seized screw to battle with.
QR problem was down the bracket for the lever that screws to the front was buckled. Apply some heat and straighten out was a simply fix. Also the spring was slack and the bracket that holds the bar in place over the screw block was upside down and the bar not hooked into it.
The opening problem was another matter. The screw was thick with a resin type substance. I can't even figure out why it was on the screw as it is mostly covered and can only think, for whatever reason, it was applied through the oiling hole. It was a pain to remove as various chemicals barely affected it so resorted to heat, although slower and messy it softened it enough to scrape out leaving a screw in perfect condition.
The body of the vice was mainly old grease but again some of the same resin stuff, especially underneath, but with brake cleaner it was able to be scraped off. It left the vice with the majority of the original paint still intact and rather than paint over it I left it in its original honest condition.
Reassemble was straight forward with cutting open the screw slots again. Jaws warn but serviceable were reused. The vice is now silky smooth with a full range of motion and working QR
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Great resto. I've got one of these rusting away in my garden, it was either that or gnomes.
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Great job. I'm with Carsten that's exactly how I like to see them too, it wears it's age & use honestly.
Can I ask how do you know it's post 1966 ?
That's cool.
How far does it open, the slide looks short ?
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I think it's the meatball - the spindle-hub changed around that time from - let's say - an olive form to a more sober design as we know it today.
Really great work to even guess what a nice paint was left under all the dirt and resist to go at it with something more radical and destroy all that forever. Well done
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I recently got a Record 23, but painted mine green.
I think it's the meatball - the spindle-hub changed around that time from - let's say - an olive form to a more sober design as we know it today.
Really great work to even guess what a nice paint was left under all the dirt and resist to go at it with something more radical and destroy all that forever. Well done
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Looking at the screw on the far left being held in the small vice, what age would you put it at?
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Not a like for like but the differences are evident
Rounded handle boss pre 1966 and flat on post 1966
Record is in-printed into the cast pre 1966 and stands proud post 1966
The oiling hole is accessed with the jaws open pre 1966 and closed post 1966. You see some pre 1966 with the hole at the rear, I’m not sure if these are Frankenstein rebuilds, both castings were available when manufacturing or even the dynamic jaw (usually the lower one that breaks) that has been replaced under warranty
Not 100% sure on this one but I think QR bar is fixed to the handle using a screw pre 1966 and a pin after that.
pre 1966 - No 22
post 1966 - No 23
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About 4” till the slide is flush with body. It’s only 3” jaws. Stout wee vice
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Hi.
It seems Record phased the Hub shape change from the bulb shape to the flat hub shape for different vice series over decades.
Here's two snips.
The first Black & White one is from their 1935 catalogue.
The Mechanics vice series 00 - 8 had already been changed to the flat hub.
The Fitters vice series 21-25 were still shown as the bulbous hub right up to the last cat I have date 1963.
Taking Craigs statement of the 21-25 series hub change of 1966, it could well be accurate.
In 1972 Irwin bought Record.
Production will always be delayed with name change but Irwin Record branded product was out sometime after 1972, so a Record Flat hub (like the 23 from Craig above) would be 1966 - 1972/73/74.
Here's my Irwin/Record 23 which would be post 1972 (probably took a few years to introduce the casting mould change so probably 1974>).
They would have had lots of stock of RECORD castings to use up before have the moulds changed and then later ordering new production and new castings with Irwin incorporated.
PS. It's for sale.
