Adventures in an all electric vehicle.

[daleyd]

You’d expect to see the average age of cars in the uk going down then?

 

[GRW]

You’d expect to see the average age of cars in the uk going down then?

Maybe not that noticeably for a few years yet.... but as age, mileage and thr relentless hounding by legislation sees the older, reliable ICE's fall to the axe, then the younger average age of cars will gather momentum exponentially (increased also by the fact that the newer cars have a shorter lifespan, thus increasing the rate of turnover of vehicles, and by definition meaning the vehicles must get "newer".

Lower reliability, higher mtce costs & a shorter design-life equals less older cars on the roads (by design). It's not rocket science.

 

[daleyd]

So it's not backed up by figures then? The best you can say is that it's what you think will happen, and in the meantime EV's with battery/drivetrain warranties of up to 10 years suggest the manufacturers are quite optimistic.

 

[brewdexta]

Here's a report from the International Energy Agency on EVs. Covers sales, light and heavy duty EVs, battery trends etc. etc.

Global EV Outlook 2023 – Analysis - IEA

Global EV Outlook 2023 - Analysis and key findings. A report by the International Energy Agency.

www.iea.org

 

[GRW]

So it's not backed up by figures then? The best you can say is that it's what you think will happen, and in the meantime EV's with battery/drivetrain warranties of up to 10 years suggest the manufacturers are quite optimistic.

You cannot see the relentless, obvious trend?
"There are none so blind" etc.
It's inevitable.
In say the next 10-years, listen carefully wherever you are..... and you'll hear me inside your head saying "I told you so".

 

[daleyd]

You cannot see the relentless, obvious trend?
"There are none so blind" etc.
It's inevitable.
In say the next 10-years, listen carefully wherever you are..... and you'll hear me inside your head saying "I told you so".

I doubt it, but if it makes you feel better to think that then knock yourself out.

 

[GRW]

I doubt it, but if it makes you feel better to think that then knock yourself out.

It doesn't make me feel better. I'd rather be wrong - but every indicator says I won't be.
I'm not a soothsayer nor a genius - but you don't need to be either to see which way the wind is blowing

 

[GRW]

Here's a report from the International Energy Agency on EVs. Covers sales, light and heavy duty EVs, battery trends etc. etc.

Global EV Outlook 2023 – Analysis - IEA

Global EV Outlook 2023 - Analysis and key findings. A report by the International Energy Agency.

www.iea.org

And funded by the Electric Vehicle Initiative.
Well, that means it's absolutely, definitely going to be a totally accurate, impartial, objective report then

 

[daleyd]

It doesn't make me feel better. I'd rather be wrong - but every indicator says I won't be.
I'm not a soothsayer nor a genius - but you don't need to be either to see which way the wind is blowing

You'll have to help with "every indicator", as most things I see, and have experience of, point to cars becoming more reliable. I've seen no evidence of this "planned obsolescence" in any car I've ever owned/had as company car.

Toyota seem to be offering a warranty on their ev batteries 500,000 miles, so they must have some confidence.

Are electric cars more reliable than petrol or diesel?

If reliability is your priority should you opt for an EV or stick with combustion engines?

www.parkers.co.uk

 

[brewdexta]

And funded by the Electric Vehicle Initiative.
Well, that means it's absolutely, definitely going to be a totally accurate, impartial, objective report then

I dare say it will be a lot more accurate than what you can get via tabloids and social media. It does include references and its not aiming to convince, just report and forecast based on available data.

 

[redlig]

You'll have to help with "every indicator", as most things I see, and have experience of, point to cars becoming more reliable. I've seen no evidence of this "planned obsolescence" in any car I've ever owned/had as company car.

Toyota seem to be offering a warranty on their ev batteries 500,000 miles, so they must have some confidence.

Are electric cars more reliable than petrol or diesel?

If reliability is your priority should you opt for an EV or stick with combustion engines?

www.parkers.co.uk

Are the warranties not paid for by a form of insurance on the manufacturers side?

 

[Maker]

Are the warranties not paid for by a form of insurance on the manufacturers side?

No idea, but the insurers wouldn't cover it if they didn't have confidence in the lifespan of the battery.

 

[GRW]

I dare say it will be a lot more accurate than what you can get via tabloids and social media. It does include references and its not aiming to convince, just report and forecast based on available data.

Cheap shot with the "tabloids & social media" there BD (I don't read the first, & aren't fool enough to expect accurate information from the 2nd).

I do not expect to change any pro-EV persons opinion btw. They've already made their choice (& are clearly defensive of that choice and the vehicles).

EV's ARE expensive. The cost of motoring etc. IS being driven up. Older vehicles are being penalised and disadvantaged & being made more difficult to keep on the roads on purpose.
You don't need to trawl statistics (which get manipulated & massaged to indicate whatever the producer wants them to anyway) to see these things.

Perhaps you'd like to infer that I might be a Trump Supporter or Flat-Earther next, because I don't worship at the altar of the Lithium Battery?

 

[premmington]

Irrespective of the “method” of buying them the fact is that since the invention of cars someone has been buying new ones. Secondhand cars don’t magically appear.

Correct... A new car becomes a secondhand vehicle when it changes hands and is bought by the second owner. I agree...

But some of these cars - have one owner (finance house) and three users one ofter the other - as they now PHP used cars

 

[brewdexta]

Cheap shot with the "tabloids & social media" there BD (I don't read the first, & aren't fool enough to expect accurate information from the 2nd).

I do not expect to change any pro-EV persons opinion btw. They've already made their choice (& are clearly defensive of that choice and the vehicles).

EV's ARE expensive. The cost of motoring etc. IS being driven up. Older vehicles are being penalised and disadvantaged & being made more difficult to keep on the roads on purpose.
You don't need to trawl statistics (which get manipulated & massaged to indicate whatever the producer wants them to anyway) to see these things.

Perhaps you'd like to infer that I might be a Trump Supporter or Flat-Earther next, because I don't worship at the altar of the Lithium Battery?

I didn't say where you got your info from. I just stated it was likely to be more reliable than the tabloids/social media. So no cheap shot implied or intended.

 

[premmington]

Cheap shot with the "tabloids & social media" there BD (I don't read the first, & aren't fool enough to expect accurate information from the 2nd).

I do not expect to change any pro-EV persons opinion btw. They've already made their choice (& are clearly defensive of that choice and the vehicles).

EV's ARE expensive. The cost of motoring etc. IS being driven up. Older vehicles are being penalised and disadvantaged & being made more difficult to keep on the roads on purpose.
You don't need to trawl statistics (which get manipulated & massaged to indicate whatever the producer wants them to anyway) to see these things.

Perhaps you'd like to infer that I might be a Trump Supporter or Flat-Earther next, because I don't worship at the altar of the Lithium Battery?

What the earth is not flat?

 

[daleyd]

Cheap shot with the "tabloids & social media" there BD (I don't read the first, & aren't fool enough to expect accurate information from the 2nd).

I do not expect to change any pro-EV persons opinion btw. They've already made their choice (& are clearly defensive of that choice and the vehicles).

EV's ARE expensive. The cost of motoring etc. IS being driven up. Older vehicles are being penalised and disadvantaged & being made more difficult to keep on the roads on purpose.
You don't need to trawl statistics (which get manipulated & massaged to indicate whatever the producer wants them to anyway) to see these things.

Perhaps you'd like to infer that I might be a Trump Supporter or Flat-Earther next, because I don't worship at the altar of the Lithium Battery?

Why would you try and use anecdotal secondhand evidence to try and change someone’s mind who’s actually bought one and using one?

The vast majority of people I know who have bought one have been ok with their choice, I know for a fact out of choice I wouldn’t particularly want to go back to a petrol/diesel car.

No one’s being defensive, what they are doing is putting factual experience to counter some misconceptions.

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

In 5 years when we are all filling up our cars with synthetic liquid fuel I wonder what we'll think of the EVs .

Joking aside...mass adoption will require mass subsidy. Other than businesses taking advantage of BIK...and individuals doing salary sacrifice...they don't make sense to the majority of people...yet at least!

...but competition is starting to bring prices down...alternatively I guess we can just force poor people to walk like the good old days!

 

[m_c]

Not sure about most, certainly a good number. But private is still around 50% of the market iirc....

I've not seen any figures for a long time, but I'd guess private buyers will a lot more than 50% now.
Company cars are no where near as common as people think, although they have had a bit of a resurgence in recent years due to changes in taxation.

 

[daleyd]

I've not seen any figures for a long time, but I'd guess private buyers will a lot more than 50% now.
Company cars are no where near as common as people think, although they have had a bit of a resurgence in recent years due to changes in taxation.

They’re certainly no longer the “perk” they once were, and taxation has made them quite unattractive even to users like myself who actually need them - as opposed to a salary top up for most managerial types.

20 odd years ago when I first had a company car the tax was fairly low if you did over a certain number of business miles, then that got changed out to being based on emissions in about 2001 ish.