weldingscotty803
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ive made a bbq outta one of the big uns. if i were you zardoz i would cut in half and make 2 burners outta it. far too big for a garden orniment but ok for just a rubbish burner at work
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rosinante
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Valve removal
Did this today on a 18kg ish bottle 24 mm spanner and a 2lb hammer put a bar thru handle then applied spanner and hammer ,took 2 mins the thread was a tapered one with a bit of sealant,now full of water awaing cutting HTH
Chris
Did this today on a 18kg ish bottle 24 mm spanner and a 2lb hammer put a bar thru handle then applied spanner and hammer ,took 2 mins the thread was a tapered one with a bit of sealant,now full of water awaing cutting HTH
Chris
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zardoz
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Im sure you are correct but is it really that prevalent ? I certainly never heard of it, and i have scanned our local rag every week for donkeys years, to see who's been a bad boy in court. (old school pals etc)
and i have never seen anyone in court for destroying a gas bottle. Plenty of other metal related larceny mind you.
bob the builder
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It strikes me calor should be forced to take these bottles back and pay for there return, any other industry and these would be classed as dangerous waste but then calor maybe have somebody in goverment, these bottles litter the country, you only need look at a travellers site when they have all left there are bottles all over the place, same old story corporate vandalism.
ben8vgte
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how is it corporate vandalism if sombody dumps the bottle's (more than likely stolen one's), as you get your deposite back with the receipt and calor gas will never refuse to take one of there bottles, also travelers dump a lot of other stuff, does this make the manufactures of any items dumped a corporate vandal? or is it some people dont have respect for the enviroment they live in ?
bob the builder
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Calor have no respect for the enviroment or they would make more of an effert to recover there bottles, I have people near me that still have there redundent bulk tanks in there garden because Calor want hundreds of £ to collect them.
ben8vgte
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I also see flogas and bp cylinders dumped is this calors fault as well? Also a bulk tank is hardly the same you pay for installation why not removal you had to pay to get rid of your car car not long ago it was only the high price of scrap metal recently that allowed them to pay you.
If it's such a bee in your bonnet about it collect them up your self (as i do) and reuse them for somthing or take a load of them back.
what about this ?
http://www.nspcc.org.uk/getinvolved/ChildLine/calorgas_wda57717.html
If it's such a bee in your bonnet about it collect them up your self (as i do) and reuse them for somthing or take a load of them back.
what about this ?
http://www.nspcc.org.uk/getinvolved/ChildLine/calorgas_wda57717.html
zardoz
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I was given this 47kg beast today, approx four and a half feet tall. Its from Altagas or someone. How do i go about getting this valive off ?
I understand that Gas workers, agricultural workers and gypo's know all about them, but frankly they scare me to death, and this huge beast even more. It has some in it so i know i have to open it for a few days and put it behind the garage or something ? And keep the rain off the valve i assume ?
I understand that Gas workers, agricultural workers and gypo's know all about them, but frankly they scare me to death, and this huge beast even more. It has some in it so i know i have to open it for a few days and put it behind the garage or something ? And keep the rain off the valve i assume ?
When I took my valve off, (after venting it!) I did the following:
Took the shroud off with an angle grinder with 1mm cutting disc.
Cut the top off of the valve and the the protusion on the side (safety valve?) again with the angle grinder.
I then used a 3ft breaker bar with a 30mm socket. I placed the cylinder on its side with a crowbar through the slotted base (to stop it rolling) and stood on it with one foot on the cylinder at the bottom end an the other on the end of the breaker bar. A couple of hefty pushes with all my weight saw the fitting loosened.
One method I used and possibly not one to be recommended as to drill two small hole in the base of the cylinder using a slow drill bit and plenty of water. It's unlikely the gas inside the cylinder will explode unless there is oxygen in the mix, externally is another matter. Once done fill with water through one of the holes the other allow gas to escape. It's not ideal but using a hand brace would be safer than a power drill.
I was dead lucky with one of mine, didn't even have to cut the carrier off.
Wasn't so lucky with the other one though!
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I've cut up a few Gas Bottles in my past and every one of them I took off people who couldn't get them taken away by Calor or the local Dump or scrap yard wouldn't take them..... I don't know what everyone else thinks but this country is a wash with Red Tape and Law and if you worry about breaking or bending the Law out of shape then you stop living how you choose to live .... I don't condone anyone breaking criminal law .... but Civil Law is about interpretation ...
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supermarkets get fined if there trolleys are found outside in street fine callor gas if there bottles are found dumped
Holy revival batman, just to add to a very old thread seeing as its obviously not dead yet, once a gas cylinder has had gas added to it its never classed as empty, explosive ability of gas needs only a very small amount of gas with plenty of oxygen, which is just the sort of thing your going to find in a cylinder with no liquefied lpg left in it, i would defiantly go with filling them with water.
Kelvinblacksmith
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If you open the valve and it stops hissing gas don't think its empty ...Its NOT .... there is a valve inside that if you press a screwdriver into the valve it will open right up and let the remainder of the gas out ...then leave the valve open ..... I'm not going to tell anyone how to take the valve out ...as it does have its risk however low .... look on youtube there are loads of clips on how to do it .... including the one where a good old boy sit on a large cylinder with a fag in his mouth ..lights it then sets about beating the valve off with a cold chisel and hammer ..... Crazy or what ...
The legal situation currently is simple, once it is dumped it is classed as abandoned, the same laws they use to issue PCN's to people dropping rubbish, if its abandoned on public property it becomes the "responsibility" of the local council; to date there has been legal precedent set to determine who the legal owner is and no council will take it to court as its a double edged sword for them.
If its abandoned anyone can take it and once you take it, it is assumed in law under a maxim of law that you hold deed of title which is ownership.
The company claiming deed of title will not accept responsibility for it as by accepting ownership they are also accepting liability for their property being dumped and abandoned which constitutes fly tipping and again by legal maxim they accept liability for their property being dumped; too date no gas bottle supplier has bought a case against anyone because by doing so they are heading into the unknown, if they try to prosecute anyone they risk that person claiming they found it in a hedge bottom and all that is needed is an affidavit to that effect and the bottle owner becomes incriminated in fly tipping, in financial terms it isn't worth them even pursuing it.
If its abandoned anyone can take it and once you take it, it is assumed in law under a maxim of law that you hold deed of title which is ownership.
The company claiming deed of title will not accept responsibility for it as by accepting ownership they are also accepting liability for their property being dumped and abandoned which constitutes fly tipping and again by legal maxim they accept liability for their property being dumped; too date no gas bottle supplier has bought a case against anyone because by doing so they are heading into the unknown, if they try to prosecute anyone they risk that person claiming they found it in a hedge bottom and all that is needed is an affidavit to that effect and the bottle owner becomes incriminated in fly tipping, in financial terms it isn't worth them even pursuing it.
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This is exactly what a barrister interviewed on "You and Yours" said. He refused to answer the question "How does one know it's abandoned?" Recently a guy from Yorkshire water left a screwdriver on a wall while he nipped back to his van for something. When he got back the screwdriver had gone, so just because something is lying around doesn't mean it's abandoned.
An excellent point well made, but what is you and yours? abandonment only applies to anything termed/classified as rubbish such as dropping litter in the street, or fly tipping, tools are a different issue and this is theft.
If you come across an empty bottle in the hedge bottom it is better to photograph it one day and return the next day and recover it; rubbish is defined as abandoned as soon as you walk away from it if you deliberately drop it, if something drops from a pocket it is a different proposition.
