Computer screens on car dashboards.

[bigegg]

Price for replacement /repaired Tesla touch screen please

Between £70 and £1000 on the bay?

 

[KemppiFrog]

When I refurbished the cockpit of my vintage glider I realised that the Flap and retract levers were side by side with identical knobs . An hour in the workshop produced two totally different knobs that could not feel like each other. Looking around to identify which is which was not a good idea. landing is not a situation were a mistake could be easily forgiven.

Yep, distraction can lead to expensive hiccups.
I got a call from the duty officer at an active RAF base. Is Mooney G-AXXX based at your airfield? Yes. Well come and get it off our main runway, which it is blocking.
Pilot had unlocked the manual undercarriage lever instead of the flaps, while doing engine checks. They were next to each other, but not that similar. The nose wheel had retracted and lowered the nose onto the tarmac, turning the prop into two curly bits of scrap metal. He said that it had happened by itself, but after I pointed out the sequence of failure could only be 'finger trouble', he fessed up. Cue a new variable pitch prop, engine shock loading rebuild and new bits in the U/carriage. The RAF were nice about it and let me use their hanger for the engine removal and replacement. I then fitted locks to the undercarriage to hold it down and flew her home to fix the damage to the retraction system. Oddly enough, the aircraft next to me was a Canberra that had done a 'wheels up' landing.
Back to distracting screens...

 

[mtt.tr]

Yep, distraction can lead to expensive hiccups.
I got a call from the duty officer at an active RAF base. Is Mooney G-AXXX based at your airfield? Yes. Well come and get it off our main runway, which it is blocking.
Pilot had unlocked the manual undercarriage lever instead of the flaps, while doing engine checks. They were next to each other, but not that similar. The nose wheel had retracted and lowered the nose onto the tarmac, turning the prop into two curly bits of scrap metal. He said that it had happened by itself, but after I pointed out the sequence of failure could only be 'finger trouble', he fessed up. Cue a new variable pitch prop, engine shock loading rebuild and new bits in the U/carriage. The RAF were nice about it and let me use their hanger for the engine removal and replacement. I then fitted locks to the undercarriage to hold it down and flew her home to fix the damage to the retraction system. Oddly enough, the aircraft next to me was a Canberra that had done a 'wheels up' landing.
Back to distracting screens...

Seems impossible that can happen. Oops

 

[minimutly]

But that's my point: it's NOT the touchscreen that is the problem, its the design of the controls.
You would have the same issue whether manual controls or touchscreen?
The difference is that (potentially) you can get new firmware that improves the touchscreen interface.

Touch screen. There we are, you need to touch a spot on the screen, for that you need to aim your finger, for that you need to look where you’re aiming. Then watch to see it does what you expected, then, usually, stab at your choice. How many pedestrians could you have run over in that time?
Knobs work, been using them for years, don’t need to look, aim, non of that.

 

[bigegg]

Touch screen. There we are, you need to touch a spot on the screen, for that you need to aim your finger, for that you need to look where you’re aiming. Then watch to see it does what you expected, then, usually, stab at your choice. How many pedestrians could you have run over in that time?
Knobs work, been using them for years, don’t need to look, aim, non of that.

So like pushing a manual button, then?

I still say it's more the design/layout of the controls is a bigger factor than the fact it's a "touchscreen".

 

[Seadog]

So like pushing a manual button, then?

No, nothing like it. You can feel a manual button, it's 3D. With a touch screen you have no idea where your finger has wandered. You could be pressing the windscreen for all the sensory feedback you're getting

 

[mtt.tr]

All the icons in the sprinter are blooming huge. To climate control bottom of the dash tactical buttons are far worse than the massive screen icons.

I can't remember what one is were without looking.

This thread is a load of tripe.

 

[minimutly]

All the icons in the sprinter are blooming huge. To climate control bottom of the dash tactical buttons are far worse than the massive screen icons.

I can't remember what one is were without looking.

This thread is a load of tripe.

Hmmm, saying something is worse than, at best something dubious is not especially a good thing.
But we’re all different - I still say I could push, switch, move any amount of controls without looking at them. Can you say that about a touch screen? Maybe touch screens should be called “look and touch screens”?
If the answer is yes then touch screens are a good thing and pose no increased risk in use.

 

[premmington]

I spend all day using different controls in cars to check functions.

Stationary in my workshop.

I find very few of these touchscreen interfaces easy or simple to use.

Some are better than others - some lack any logic.

But mostly I looking for "deeper settings" not the first "cover screen page" of fan or radio control.

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My only advice I could offer to anybody with a new car with one fitted - is have a play with it - down your driveway first without killng anybody on the open road.

Once you got the hang of it - they are OK.

Get a new car - or a new to you secondhand one. Sit it in the drive - have a play - adjust the seat up - read the instruction book - workout where the controls are - put your stuff in the cubby holes.

 

[mtt.tr]

Hmmm, saying something is worse than, at best something dubious is not especially a good thing.
But we’re all different - I still say I could push, switch, move any amount of controls without looking at them. Can you say that about a touch screen? Maybe touch screens should be called “look and touch screens”?
If the answer is yes then touch screens are a good thing and pose no increased risk in use.

They are near full arm stretch far left, you have to look.

In reality you all at look the controls just subconsciously, unlike fingering a fat bird in a seedy night club

 

[mike os]

All the icons in the sprinter are blooming huge. To climate control bottom of the dash tactical buttons are far worse than the massive screen icons.

I can't remember what one is were without looking.

This thread is a load of tripe.

Then why bother replying ?

 

[selectedgrub]

Then why bother replying ?

Because welding stuff is boring.

 

[mtt.tr]

Then why bother replying ?

Because I don't understand the rational of it, handful on here have become those that hate all things modern or current.

Dare I mention
Wind power, solar, Ev's, fusion, climate change, modern car diagnostic, modern diesels, modern cars at all and so on.

I find it really bizarre to intentionally set oneself up to not coexist with the future, by all means get stuck in the past but stop getting upset by it, it's a personal choice. Time only moves forward keep up or don't it's that simple.

 

[jerrytug]

No, nothing like it. You can feel a manual button, it's 3D. With a touch screen you have no idea where your finger has wandered. You could be pressing the windscreen for all the sensory feedback you're getting

Exactly, and I would add: Proper switches and buttons, when pressed, move to a different position; the button is 'in' or 'out', plus the latch/spring detent causes a 'click' which you can feel with your fingertip, so you know for certain.

 

[mtt.tr]

Exactly, and I would add: Proper switches and buttons, when pressed, move to a different position; the button is 'in' or 'out', plus the latch/spring detent causes a 'click' which you can feel with your fingertip, so you know for certain.

One could argue they wear out quicker being mechanical

 

[jerrytug]

Because I don't understand the rational of it, handful on here have become those that hate all things modern or current.

Dare I mention
Wind power, solar, Ev's, fusion, climate change, modern car diagnostic, modern diesels, modern cars at all and so on.

I find it really bizarre to intentionally set oneself up to not coexist with the future, by all means get stuck in the past but stop getting upset by it, it's a personal choice. Time only moves forward keep up or don't it's that simple.

Touchscreens cause accidents, and reduce the general standard of car control. That isn't 'hating all things modern', it's caring about road safety.

 

[jerrytug]

One could argue they wear out quicker being mechanical

You could argue that. My 30 year old cheap Peugeot's switches work perfectly, how many touch screens will be working perfectly, 30 years from now? Zero.

 

[addjunkie]

All these modern widgets are reportedly an improvement, but in reality they are just constant change to keep engineery types engineering and customer types buying. Hence the money go round keeps functioning.

Some are genuine improvements, others not so-and a pain in the but!

 

[addjunkie]

You could argue that. My 30 year old cheap Peugeot's switches work perfectly, how many touch screens will be working perfectly, 30 years from now? Zero.

This reminds me of the old renaults of the 80 full of widgets cant think of the model now its that long ago

 

[mike os]

Touchscreens cause accidents, and reduce the general standard of car control. That isn't 'hating all things modern', it's caring about road safety.

I find it strange that using a mobile phone is illegal because has been proven to be a serious distraction, but as soon as its fixed in place it miraculously becomes perfectly safe ....

I also wish mobile phones automatically stopped working over 15mph and you have to deliberately reactivate to use at speed (so passengers can use theirs but as a driver you have to choose to be distracted by a call or other "essential " activity. No doubt some will think this luddite, but when on acall that involves thinking you are able to concentrate on both activities