First Woodburning stove

[DennisCA]

It's not a home without a hearth they say. Firewood is probably cheaper here.

 

[slim_boy_fat]

lizard lol i like to be in nothing!

Please don't reinforce that mental image

 

[minimutly]

Woodburners keep you warm twice (I'd say 3 times if you haven't a log splitter).
Buy a chainsaw (with all the kit).

 

[J1nx]

Some great wood burner groups on FB, lots to learn. IMHO you will regret buying budget, opt for the WoodWarm, the modern ones are defra exempt (many say defra approved but I dont believe they actually ‘approve’ them).

I have a Clearview currently and it’s fantastic, not being defra approved it’s the best stove I’ve used (on par with WW), and I’ve used a few. Compared to my “exempt“ Woodwarm it can be controlled much more finely, the new rules mean secondary supply cannot be shutdown fully, whilst this is mostly good it’s a bit of a pain if you know how to burn properly.
My dining hall Woodwarm is a 8Kw, it’s a beast, I nearly went for a 12 because it was replacing a monster Villager stove but I’m glad I didn’t, its better to run a small stove harder than slumber a large one but even the 8 can overwhelm the room and it’s not small with a roughly 4m ceiling height.

We do between 4 and 6 tonnes of fresh hardwood mainly in a year, all of ours is harvested by myself and it’s a lot of work but pleasurable. I’d say the wood is primary heating but we use solid fuel on the CV over weekends and we have oil CH that does mornings.

 

[gaz1]

i went through the attitude of a brother who wanted a wood stove

he liked the rocket stoves economy of the wood

the thing is they put alot of pure heat out for very little amount of wood

these stoves use more wood to get going properly and are we really conserving fuel id rather burn one log for 2 hours than burn 3-4 logs for the same period of time

the xeoos twinfire too me alot of messing with it but gives 90 percent efficent

in end as he dosnt really need pure heat or long burns I told him too buy this model

each of these stoves can be homemade but with experience heat that secondary air as much as possible it realy changes the stoves burning feature

 

[gaz1]

any old wood stove can be changed to use secondary air

bought stoves

a boiler stove with upgraded secondary air system

this video shows a really good view of secondary air combustion that burns the smoke gasses of the wood

Secondary Burn in SLOW MOTION #wood stove #gasification #secondary air

Secondary air burners inside one of my wood stoves. This process is vital for heat efficiency.

www.youtube.com

 

[Maddog]

I currently have a load of logs from a tree i cut down and i've just got another tree from my old fella (that needs chopping up) and i know they wont last forever but we'll realistically only use it for 25% of the year because they look pretty and we can turn the heating off in most of the house.

Coincidentally i just had my new chainsaw delivered today (Hyundai HYC6200X) I know not a husq or Stihl (before we go off topic) but seems ok for light home use.

I can use a drill auger to split the smaller wood, but i'll need some sort of log splitter to split the big 24" logs in half or quarter first.

 

[gaz1]

@fizzy

for me id do this but not use that type of stove

these are from a homemade downdraft wood boiler

though id lean more to a rocket stove type of boiler for more economy of the wood however it is clean at the chimney but not in particles in the exhaust smells really clean though

 

[Maddog]

So that ACR Malvern - you are saying this is meaningless?

"The Malvern II is also SIA EcoDesign Ready approved meaning that it meets with the EcoDesign criteria which will become mandatory in 2022 already. This makes the Malvern II one of the most environmentally friendly stoves available with low CO & particle emissions and high efficiency."

 

[fizzy]

I currently have a load of logs from a tree i cut down and i've just got another tree from my old fella (that needs chopping up) and i know they wont last forever but we'll realistically only use it for 25% of the year because they look pretty and we can turn the heating off in most of the house.

Coincidentally i just had my new chainsaw delivered today (Hyundai HYC6200X) I know not a husq or Stihl (before we go off topic) but seems ok for light home use.

I can use a drill auger to split the smaller wood, but i'll need some sort of log splitter to split the big 24" logs in half or quarter first.

I use a Clarke logbuster which is great - has lasted me well.
I use cooking oil to lubricate the chain. Cheap and good for the environment and comes in handy 1L bottles. Only 1 drawback. It will gum up when not in use and the chain will seize. Just spray with WD40 before use and pull the chain around by hand. Wearing gloves of course.

 

[Joe 90]

What about some of the newer stoves like a dg ivar 5?
What stoves can burn well at low temperatures with good control of heat and keep clear glass?

 

[gaz1]

So that ACR Malvern - you are saying this is meaningless?

"The Malvern II is also SIA EcoDesign Ready approved meaning that it meets with the EcoDesign criteria which will become mandatory in 2022 already. This makes the Malvern II one of the most environmentally friendly stoves available with low CO & particle emissions and high efficiency."

im wrong i looked deeper via this

https://acrheatproducts.com/file/acr/current-malvern-manual-mal2classic-0916-1-print-58128.pdf

it has all 3 inputs into the stove

something that it dosnt mentiion on the website you posted up

 

[gaz1]

dg ivar 5

this one has 3 inputs you will see by the link posted

eco — Chimney sweep and stove fitter

www.timschimneys.co.uk

primary air
secondary air
territory air

 

[Maddog]

Ohhh Thanks Guys,

We may have a winner.

I'm log chopping with my new chainsaw tomorrow. Tell you what i bought A combined helmet, face guard and ear defenders for £18 (Oregon) which is bloody good value considering a box of nitrile/latex gloves during a pandemic was selling for the same money.

 

[fizzy]

Something like this is vital

 

[Maddog]

Yep, one of them arrived today too from Amazon.

This one.

 

[addjunkie]

Coincidentally i just had my new chainsaw delivered today (Hyundai HYC6200X) I know not a husq or Stihl (before we go off topic) but seems ok for light home use.

I can use a drill auger to split the smaller wood, but i'll need some sort of log splitter to split the big 24" logs in half or quarter first.

Becareful with the chainsaw, dangerous things, keep the chain sharp.

If your not splitting wood in big volumes long term a good axe is as good as anything.

 

[gaz1]

i prefer an axe for splitting wood and its a bit of exercise

with chainsaw i log only with it or use it for cutting beams with

however i do use a circular saw often and with that i can cut a pallet up really quickly

cut down the middle post of it on either side of the middle bar and rip the legs off easy enough done then spin it and do the same

now the 3x2 or 4x2s on the pallet i do same again but i cut it into 3 lengths

fast simple and its in log form for usage and storage

 

[fizzy]

Becareful with the chainsaw, dangerous things, keep the chain sharp.

If your not splitting wood in big volumes long term a good axe is as good as anything.

Only once had an injury preparing wood.
Not from the chainsaw.
Like an idiot I was cutting up some old doors and frames. There was a copper strip draught excluder.
I had yanked off a few. Wasn't gripping it tight enough. No gloves.
Almost severed my fingers. Several very painful stitches just missed the ligaments

 

[8ob]

wood is carbon neutral, and, very frequently, a waste product (as in not just pallet wood but that the trees are often cut down for an entirely different reason than to log for fire wood)

gas and oil certainly are not carbon neutral, nor are a waste product

The way you or I burn it yes.
The fact that large areas of virgin forest are being cleared for biomass power stations makes my blood boil.
Millions of trees in the UK that shouldn't have been cut down are these days as they know they can make a killing out of selling the wood.
Very sore point for me at the moment as I am trying to save 9 ash trees on my land that the councils are forcing to be cut down. I am going to post another thread on it actually.

Sustainable perhaps but certainly not carbon neutral, the amount of fuel used to cut, extract, transport and chip for biomass is massive.

Bob