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The burners look very similar to the 20 yr old kit?
Is it other parts of the boiler that make it more efficient?
DAPPH
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We paid 73p a litre for 970 litres in mid December 2022
DAPPH
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It was on the installation papers and the owners manual as Made in China , when the first was fitted some 18 yrs ago , I'm sure the second one was also out the same stable .All your problems noted are installation problems! Also, Firebird boilers are made in Co Cork, Ireland & the burners are made in Italy so not sure where the China thing is you are quoting.....
I think some people and installers who are old school don't want to look at condensing boiler's. But this is short sighted IMO and they are reliable units there is no mythical "short lifetime" risk with them if, like anything else it is installed and maintained correctly.
Anyway, I've offered some of my insight and based on my own personal experience if you want to hang onto older boilers or go with a different brand that is of course your own decision
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When we lived out in the sticks we too had LPG for rads and hot water ... horrific for heating our 1864 ex railway gate keepers cottage . IIRC the LPG was 13 p a litre in 1993 and we had to fill it three times or more a year in a 500 litre tank .
Had the tank changed by Flogas as it was 20 yrs old . They filled it , I came home again later that day ....no gas . Found that the tank valve nut was only finger tight but they still tried to charge me for the refill and a service visit that night to sort it out .
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No, Both boilers are traditional iron heat exchanger boilers with Reillo burners. Before I installed them (around the millenium IIRC) I checked out the prices of condensing boilers and came to the conclusion that they would need to last about 30 years to get an ROI. Condensing oil boilers were not mainstream items then, so probably came with a hefty price premium.
Since then, my only experience of condensing boilers has been with gas boilers we have at 3 rental properties. All 3 houses have needed replacement boilers in that timescale, so I don't feel encouraged to change my (so far reliable) home oil units till I'm forced to. the 3000+ litres oil consumption per year probably looks huge, but against the fact the house boiler (can't remember the BTU output now) runs 15 radiators and hot water; the workshop boiler (55000 BTU) is running 8 radiators -but no HW, it's probably not quite so outrageous
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Chatting to a lad down the cafe on Sunday, he has a small diesel heater in his workshop, but he has plumbed the exhaust through an old cast iron radiator before it leaves the building. Apparently gets warm as toast.Eight radiators in the workshop!
I have two but they are both attached to motorcycles
I’m not even sure how diesel heaters work to be honest.
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Gas prices are low too, demand is down due to yet another recession in Europe and China has a lot of stuff catching up to it as well.
Misterg
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Firebird by any chance?half an hour bleeding the pump while dodging the leaks from the heat exchanger
It'll be that much more expensive this year, as he'll be paying the new 'boiler tax' on top:
Boiler Tax? What is the impact on heating costs - Gas-Elec
With the governments clean heat market mechanism going ahead for 2024, many boiler manufacturers have announced they will introduce a new 'boiler Tax'
www.gas-elec.co.uk
(Didn't know anything about it until we had a new boiler installed a few weeks ago. Luckily we had ordered it last year so no price hike.)
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Jesus now we're subsidising fecking unsustainable new wave heat sources!
This house is a 16th century thatched cottage with virtually no insulation or anyway of installing it. GSHP or ASHP won't work here no matter what the believers think.
He's been paying £400 A MONTH on oil!
This house is a 16th century thatched cottage with virtually no insulation or anyway of installing it. GSHP or ASHP won't work here no matter what the believers think.
He's been paying £400 A MONTH on oil!
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I dont know if houses in Finland are better insulated from the start? most of the old UK stuff will be brick built non-cavity walls, terrace/semi-detached style
DennisCA
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Perhaps, 1700s houses would be mostly log buildings here and a log wall on it's own has insulating properties. In modern times they can be fitted with extra exterior insulation and wood paneling outside to increase wall thickness and insulation.
Interior insulation can also be fitted but is more tricky to get right.
Interior insulation can also be fitted but is more tricky to get right.
prepman
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No doubt your also listed? You shuld then be one of 20% exempt?
Erie Fred
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I read somewhere that about 4 supertankers pull into east coast ports in the US every day.
so one tanker it seems won't dent the market that bad ?
