Luton airport parking fire

[JOEPRO]

I wonder IF this was narrowed down to an EV car then would their insurance policy be liable for 1200 cars damage + building damages too? Or who would be charged with footing what will be a sizable bill. Will this for example extend to compensating passengers for courtesy cars etc?

 

[J1nx]

Remember that ferry every body immediately blamed the EVs on board…

at the end of July, columns were written with news about the boat fire that broke out off the coast of the Netherlands on the freighter Fremantle Highway. A first report said that there were also first 25, and then nearly 500 electric cars, out of a total of 3,800 cars loaded on board.

For that reason, of course, the news went viral. This after the emergency services briefly expressed their concern in passing that there were electric cars on board, and how that could possibly affect the extinguishing work. But now it turns out that the 500 electric cars on board survived the fire - and thus are probably not the cause of the fire.

Source:https://alltomelbil.se

 

[J1nx]

I wonder IF this was narrowed down to an EV car then would their insurance policy be liable for 1200 cars damage + building damages too? Or who would be charged with footing what will be a sizable bill. Will this for example extend to compensating passengers for courtesy cars etc?

Why is that a different question based on the type of vehicle?

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

Until the ignition source is identified we can all throw are opinions in.

The source may of been this that or the other.

It may have had a wet or dry riser.

It will be investigated and lesson learnt.

 

[steveo3002]

news is now making a point of saying it was started by a diesel car

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

news is now making a point of saying it was started by a diesel car

Suggested.

 

[Kayos]

I wonder IF this was narrowed down to an EV car then would their insurance policy be liable for 1200 cars damage + building damages too? Or who would be charged with footing what will be a sizable bill. Will this for example extend to compensating passengers for courtesy cars etc?

What if it's narrowed down to a petrol car? Or a faulty light fitting, or a discarded cigarette butt?

Let's see the report before we speculate

Also, in terms of insurance. Insurance underwriters also take out insurance, to protect against their losses, turns out this side of the industry is quite relaxed about regulation. The Piper Alpha disaster highlighted a lot of this, turns out multiple insurance companies cross insured each other multiple times. 30 years later it hasn't been untangled

 

[daleyd]

No just passing on information from someone that parked their car up there and is now coming home to a load of grief and no transport, she didn’t say they started it, just that there were many parked up there

It wasn’t specifically aimed at your post, just bad timing - it was just a tongue in cheek remark about the swiftness of the investigation thats been carried out from afar

 

[slim_boy_fat]

Or who would be charged with footing what will be a sizable bill

Us all ultimately, by way of increased insurance premiums - the punter never wins.

@Kayos has seen the future, and we're not going to like it.

 

[steveo3002]

no doubt think up some new airport tax to fix this

 

[daleyd]

What if it's narrowed down to a petrol car? Or a faulty light fitting, or a discarded cigarette butt?

Let's see the report before we speculate

Also, in terms of insurance. Insurance underwriters also take out insurance, to protect against their losses, turns out this side of the industry is quite relaxed about regulation. The Piper Alpha disaster highlighted a lot of this, turns out multiple insurance companies cross insured each other multiple times. 30 years later it hasn't been untangled

I wonder if the owner of the (non EV) car that caused the exact same type of blaze in 2017 in Liverpool (incidentally involving almost no EV cars) would be liable? The report that I posted about that fire above highlights fuel spreading from floor to floor was the biggest issue, so while battery fires may be harder to put out they probably wouldn’t contribute to the fire spreading floor to floor?

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

I wonder if the owner of the (non EV) car that caused the exact same type of blaze in 2017 in Liverpool (incidentally involving almost no EV cars) would be liable? The report that I posted about that fire above highlights fuel spreading from floor to floor was the biggest issue, so while battery fires may be harder to put out they probably wouldn’t contribute to the fire spreading floor to floor?

That fire and the fall out about running fuel is still bogged down in regulation updates etc.

It also highlighted the issue with plastic fuel tanks.

The new regulations will start to appear in about 2027.

 

[Fastdruid]

Until somebody cracks the thermal run away issue of ev batteries in a fire, they will be a very risky form of propulsion. That said, Fire services have been extinguishing petrol and diesel fires for 100 years and know how best to deal with them. Maybe someone will come up with a radical solution that drops the extinguish time of batteries down to a more acceptable level

Supercooled brine apparently works really, really well.

The issue however is that there is no easy way to get it into the battery itself.

 

[ukracer]

Well it’s properly ablaze. Irrespective of what caused it,( my money is on something that doesn’t have a regular fuel cap), it does make you wonder how long the government and the greenies can keep punting electric cars as being good for the environment. Even if one wasn’t the initial cause of the blaze,they will have been a major factor in the fire spreading the way it has, and the fire sevices inability to bring the blaze under control quickly. I wonder how many millions of tons of pollution this will have caused?

Given an electric car fire generally take 3-5hrs to completely extinguish,( so I am told) and a petrol car fire seldom takes more than half a hour to extinguish,it should raise an eyebrow or two. Good for the environment…yeah right. All pigs fed and ready to fly….

Add to that the almost doubling of price to insurer electric vehicles it's stunning that inflation is being underreported/ stated.
It's simply can not be as low as they are claiming and surely must not be taking into account how inflation is pushing up loss of disposable income but is not taken into account when measuring inflation.

 

[ukracer]

We can cancel the expensive fire report then, looks like it’s all sorted

Fire Report should not be expensive.

 

[OJCar]

Allegedly the Culprit has been found ...

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

Fire Report should not be expensive.

The report is free.

If you are allowed to see it is us free.

The cost is in the investigation of the incident and all the test, evaluation and reproduction of it, that cist the money.

@daleyd mentioned the Liverpool car park fire. There was reports of a series of "bangs" this was a box of 12 bore ammunition cooking off.
This lead to the investigation of the plastic of the box.
It was found out not to be fire rated.
Upshot is now after 2022 they have yo be a fire rated material.

Old stock can be used, until stocks are exhausted.

The fire report is far and wide.

 

[Kayos]

I wonder if the owner of the (non EV) car that caused the exact same type of blaze in 2017 in Liverpool (incidentally involving almost no EV cars) would be liable? The report that I posted about that fire above highlights fuel spreading from floor to floor was the biggest issue, so while battery fires may be harder to put out they probably wouldn’t contribute to the fire spreading floor to floor?

If they were insured the liability is moved to the insurance company, if everything is compliant.

In large disasters like this the insurance companies can access govt funds, but they have to sing for it

 

[ukracer]

The fire/sprinkler designers have got to seriously up the ante and a bit sharpish,cant have a burning car bringing an airport to a standstill. These airports have enormous attenuation tanks/ reservoirs to hold back all of the runway water run off in case of a massive spill, if that was pumped in there the fire would have been out in seconds or the very least controlled,totally unreasonable to expect firefighters to risk life and limb dealing with fires like this. I know its all insured losses but we ultimately pick up the tab for it

Bob

The key as with all fires are speed and weight of response. But not just that the response needs to be with the correct equipment.
The push in the fire service is towards smaller vehicles with only 2 or 3 Firefighters.
This limits or reduces the ability to wear BA and carry equipment detailed to extinguish specific types of fire.

Firefighters are not always trained to extinguish fire but to restrict the damage.
For an example and LPG cylinder emitting fuel that catches alight should be cooled and kept under control but extinguishing it might allow the contents to escape and as its heavier than air it can spread around and suddenly be ignited with an alternative ignition source with catastrophic consequences.

 

[jimbo84]

It was the same with that bus fire in Bradford the other day, all the armchair fire experts going mad at EVs and how dangerous they are, all the emissions from the fire, how can that be environmentally friendly, children being made to work in mines for the battery materials etc etc, all whilst plastering it all over social media on their lithium battery devices.

It was a diesel.