Luton airport parking fire

[JOEPRO]

Why is that a different question based on the type of vehicle?

What if it's narrowed down to a petrol car? Or a faulty light fitting, or a discarded cigarette butt?

Let's see the report before we speculate

Also, in terms of insurance. Insurance underwriters also take out insurance, to protect against their losses, turns out this side of the industry is quite relaxed about regulation. The Piper Alpha disaster highlighted a lot of this, turns out multiple insurance companies cross insured each other multiple times. 30 years later it hasn't been untangled

Because in the grand scheme of things I don't know if such facilities include indoor EV chargers?

If so, and an EV caught fire when being charged using facilities at the premises could prove interesting insurance wise.

All speculation at this stage of course.

I think it can be said that the probability of an EV car garage going on fire VS ICE car garage going on fire is much higher no?

 

[mtt.tr]

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I think it can be said that the probability of an EV car garage going on fire VS ICE car garage going on fire is much higher no?

Find some stats and decide from that, anything less is an opinion.

 

[Blobber]

I think its just phase 1 of the regeneration of Luton, start at the top of the hill and burn it all down, you know like those wildlife fires when you get all the pretty flowers pop up out of the ashes?

 

[J1nx]

I think it can be said that the probability of an EV car garage going on fire VS ICE car garage going on fire is much higher no?

You can watch this for some context, at 30 min in approx you have LEX auto lease with a fleet of over 160,000 EVs now, then some further input from large fleet owners. They report no EV fires, none, but one petrol vehicle fire.

Interestingly they have major issues with people mis-fuelling which is obviously no chance in an EV and the amount of drivers running out of fuel vs charge is noticeable, it’s far more likely in an ICE as a percentage.

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

You can watch this for some context, at 30 min in approx you have LEX auto lease with a fleet of over 160,000 EVs now, then some further input from large fleet owners. They report no EV fires, none, but one petrol vehicle fire.

True, not one EV car fire.

But there was 9 charging point fires, they did not say about.

 

[JOEPRO]

Find some stats and decide from that, anything less is an opinion.

Lots of data in Google. Such as below exmaple

Data reveals extent of electric vehicle fires around the UK

Unique data gained by CE Safety has revealed a dramatic increase in fires caused by electric vehicle batteries.

cesafety.co.uk

I am genuinely interested in this too on an industry level so don't take my comments in wrong context. Fire safety always comes first and these things are still relatively new.

 

[J1nx]

True, not one EV car fire.

But there was 9 charging point fires, they did not say about.

Source please, I didn’t even know LEX owned EV chargers but I guess they must have some.

 

[Ubique]

I think its just phase 1 of the regeneration of Luton, start at the top of the hill and burn it all down, you know like those wildlife fires when you get all the pretty flowers pop up out of the ashes?

If there was an earthquake underneath Luton, it would cause millions of pounds worth of improvements...

 

[Tangledfeet]

It was a diesel.

I've just seen a link on another forum suggesting that the Luton fire was a diesel that had just arrived:

'Cause' of Luton Airport fire revealed after 1,500 holidaymakers' cars destroyed

THE horror blaze at Luton Airport started in a vehicle with a diesel engine that had just arrived at the car park, a fire chief has revealed. All flights have been suspended after flames ripped thr…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Kayos]

If so, and an EV caught fire when being charged using facilities at the premises could prove interesting insurance wise.

Why would an EV being on charge (also known as being used as intended) be interesting or different to any other insurance claim?

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

BAFE report.
Being a member of said I get to see reports.

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

Source please, I didn’t even know LEX owned EV chargers but I guess they must have some.

BAFE Report.
Being a member I get to see the report.

 

[brewdexta]

Consumer Alert: Kia and Hyundai Issue Recalls for 3.3M Vehicles, Advise Owners to Park Outside | NHTSA

Recall for 3.3 million Kia and Hyundai vehicles issued to park outside for fire risk due to an electrical short from a brake fluid leak.

www.nhtsa.gov

 

[JOEPRO]

Why would an EV being on charge (also known as being used as intended) be interesting or different to any other insurance claim?

1: ICE cars are never refuelled inside a building. They are on forecourts with protective zones.
2: Did the EV chargers have approval from local authorities and their building insurer? (Unlikely)
3: Is the risk of EV fire heightened when being connected to charger? Does the charger and car manufacturers approve the use within a semi enclosed carpark?

 

[mtt.tr]

3: Is the risk of EV fire heightened when being connected to charger?

Shouldn't be unless the safety controller is poorly implemented

 

[daleyd]

1: ICE cars are never refuelled inside a building. They are on forecourts with protective zones.
2: Did the EV chargers have approval from local authorities and their building insurer? (Unlikely)
3: Is the risk of EV fire heightened when being connected to charger? Does the charger and car manufacturers approve the use within a semi enclosed carpark?

Could you imagine the owner of a multi storey car park, potentially containing millions of pounds worth of vehicles, installing chargers without even consulting their insurance? To me that sounds more unlikely if anything.

Of course this is assuming they even have chargers in installed, and in fact if this is anything to do with the incident.

 

[mtt.tr]

Lots of data in Google. Such as below exmaple

Data reveals extent of electric vehicle fires around the UK

Unique data gained by CE Safety has revealed a dramatic increase in fires caused by electric vehicle batteries.

cesafety.co.uk

I am genuinely interested in this too on an industry level so don't take my comments in wrong context. Fire safety always comes first and these things are still relatively new.

These statistics are further supported by the Tesla 2020 Impact Report, which states that there has been one Tesla vehicle fire for every 205 million miles traveled. In comparison, data collected in the US shows that there is one fire for every 19 million miles traveled by ICE vehicles. These facts are further supported by the Australian Building Codes Board, supporting the global experience of EVs to date indicates they have a lower likelihood of being involved in a fire than internal combustion engines.

How Safe is Your Electric Vehicle From Fire? - EVSE Australia

Debunking Myths and a Closer Look at EV Fire Safety Measures Electric vehicles (EVs) have often been the subject of misconceptions when it comes to the risk of EV fires. Many people believe that EVs are more prone to catching fire, however we are here to debunk myths and give you the facts...

evse.com.au

 

[JOEPRO]

Shouldn't be unless the safety controller is poorly implemented

It's hard to tell but I can say that in my experience dealing with large scale new build projects the building insurers were brought in to walk the premises before the second fix wiring was complete and they absolutely refused to allow EV chargers inside a building.

They had to be moved outside the binding.

 

[JOEPRO]

Could you imagine the owner of a multi storey car park, potentially containing millions of pounds worth of vehicles, installing chargers without even consulting their insurance? To me that sounds more unlikely if anything.

Of course this is assuming they even have chargers in installed, and in fact if this is anything to do with the incident.

Are you sure about that?

Tell me this - is there a building control application or fee category for EV charger installation yet?

If you ask for EV chargers to be installed are the instalers mandated to seek statutory approvals? Such as the guys who pump your cavity walls with insulation? Nope.

As I have said the industry needs to catch up with these things.

 

[mtt.tr]

It's hard to tell but I can say that in my experience dealing with large scale new build projects the building insurers were brought in to walk the premises before the second fix wiring was complete and they absolutely refused to allow EV chargers inside a building.

They had to be moved outside the binding.

Working on a particular EV truck (ev specialist) I can say the safety system we had was exceptional.

The biggest fire risk was a badly designed A/C system bad software.