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[Jlg]

For his age he is one of the most knowledgeable people in this field I have met.

If I was being given advice of him I would listen but then he's given me quite a bit of help

 

[Johnnybravo]

Before I post any more photos ,I want to just say,this is not a trolling post. I am not looking for a fight. I don't want fifty different ideas on how to do this better,with the merits. Right or wrong. What I am interested in,is how this was done. It was done in a motor vehicle manufacturer in Europe,not a home bodge job. This is the way the sill and floor panel are joined . And as far as I know,it's still done the same way today. This particular one was done in 2008. I cannot see any manufacturing outfit still using oxy acetylene. Is it just me,or does this look like two pieces of 1,2mm mild steel fused together without filler?There are no spot welds present,but a lot of seam sealer on the inside of this joint.

 

[Johnnybravo]

 

[davidjohnperry]

I'll post a average weld I do

 

[Richard.]

View attachment 141129 Before I post any more photos ,I want to just say,this is not a trolling post. I am not looking for a fight. I don't want fifty different ideas on how to do this better,with the merits. Right or wrong. What I am interested in,is how this was done. It was done in a motor vehicle manufacturer in Europe,not a home bodge job. This is the way the sill and floor panel are joined . And as far as I know,it's still done the same way today. This particular one was done in 2008. I cannot see any manufacturing outfit still using oxy acetylene. Is it just me,or does this look like two pieces of 1,2mm mild steel fused together without filler?There are no spot welds present,but a lot of seam sealer on the inside of this joint.

Most of the pics are quite unclear to see but this particular one I can make out and it looks filled Johnny to me

 

[w124]

3mm full penetration butt and a fillet


1mm.


8mm


"practice beads"


and mig practice.

 

[craigthewelder]

Unfortunately i don't get the chance to do much welding these days but here are a few photos from the past.

 

[Richard.]

Unfortunately i don't get the chance to do much welding these days but here are a few photos from the past.

The tig runs going round that nut are boarding on robotic mate
Very neat indeed.

 

[Hood]

.... robotic .......

I reckon that is what this one is, if not the guy who did it is half decent
Some pipe I got from a customer to make something with, can't recall who or what but here is the outside

The root.

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[Richard.]

I reckon that is what this one is, if not the guy who did it is half decent
Some pipe I got from a customer to make something with, can't recall who or what but here is the outside

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The root.

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That will of been done with a mechanised system hood I’d guess.
Tube or pipe are generally done with an open or closed clamp on head with a 360° rotational torch in the head and an auto wire feed.
An obrbital tig tube system for the right name.

 

[Hood]

There were a couple of other on reducers and they were even nicer, can't find the bits at the moment so maybe threw them out but if I find I will post a pic.
Likely came from the scrappies but originally I would guess they came from Merpro (or whatever it is called now) in Montrose.

 

[angellonewolf]

My stick is not good at all but what I normally do is get some scrap the same and weld to it's good and then to the job thought I'm going to go all in dial it in and this is the outcome

now to be fair it's not weight taking item so I'm not worried as it's realy did not actually need welding with the size of metal used and I think to get it good I needed to v it as well but I did not apart from the ovius a little opinions please

 

[angellonewolf]

 

[zeppelin builder]

That will of been done with a mechanised system hood I’d guess.
Tube or pipe are generally done with an open or closed clamp on head with a 360° rotational torch in the head and an auto wire feed.
An obrbital tig tube

There were a couple of other on reducers and they were even nicer, can't find the bits at the moment so maybe threw them out but if I find I will post a pic.
Likely came from the scrappies but originally I would guess they came from Merpro (or whatever it is called now) in Montrose.

aye thats. manual welding i could name a couple of lads that come from your town that can produce that every time . ps i worked in merpro a few times over the years in the clean shop

 

[Richard.]

It’s not mate.
It’s automated.
I know this from the very close together almost non existent freeze frames from the filling.
It’s not lay wire it’s not dabbing. It’s an auto feed system.
I have had a bit to do with these systems and even the best welders doing it, i can spot a manual feed over an auto feed
I don’t dispute manual can be just as neat but the appearance is just different because of the wire feed differences.

 

[bwservices]

Its manual using light wire

 

[Richard.]

Its manual using light wire

It’s not it’s automated. I’ve seen this process a thousand times before. The surface finish ripples are tighter than a manual weld will be. If that’s manual the guys arm is moving like a fiddlers elbow.
I bet there is only 1 stop point on it too.
I’m aware rotators can achieve that as well but more likely it’s only got one stop point as it was automated. We will have to agree to disagree but I’ve lots of samples at work near on identical to it performed by orbital heads that I can put up next week. I’d be interested to see if you could achieve the same finish by hand.

 

[Hood]

Ha ha looks like I am going to have to ask Gav the next time I see him, he used to be in charge of the welding side in Merpro, assuming of course that was where it originally came from.

 

[Hood]

If there is more than one stop start hood then I’m wrong it’s a manual weld. Because automated processes won’t stop half way unless there is a problem.

Not sure, will have to look tomorrow if I remember.

 

[Rrunnach]

Few year back I did CPD for 4 days with a local company specialising with orbital welding. AMI machines were used, cracking kit, all autogenous on thin wall SS. I still have my welded joints.

Pipe Hood posted, Hmmmmm jury is out. Who remembers Flangejockey, he was the master nailing pipe in all positions, mostly MMA?