Weld On Lashing Hooks

[Erie Fred]

No that would be well beyond my ability

Here's a crazy Idea....L-E-A-R-N.
If our pipeline welders do x-ray quality welding downhand on pipe, then
You can stick a simple bracket on....

 

[Trevorleach]

Is this for tying down loads ?This type thing is only a rope hook , suitable for sheeting up.

Bob

Been used since the dawn of time for securing loads and sheeting up, place I work at still uses them for securing loads with ratchet straps.

 

[Trevorleach]

This is from the government website

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Have you got a direct link to that?

 

[Agrismith]

Unfortunately it makes no difference. I find most car trailers such a pain for this. Why they can’t fit some actual lashing rings instead of rope hooks. For years you’ve never been able to use them to tie down.

On an ifor williams with the right size straps you can hook on the chassis rails. But it’s a pain as well.

Sometimes a few endless lifting straps are useful as you can choke round the chassis, even if you have a trailer with a box chassis and not a u beam chassis, and it moves the ratchet up to a nicer place so you don't have to do it up kneeling in the mud.

Rope hooks aren't any good for ratchets for three reasons.

1. They aren't load tested
2. If you put a rope on them the rope sits right near the corner meaning it would have to sheer the hook, if you attach a ratchet strap the load is applied further away from the corner increasing leverage and bending or snapping the hook.
3. To attach a ratchet strap to a rope hook people typically use the triangular hole. This isn't designed to be loaded and the hook can spread and slide off the rope hook.

 

[Munkul]

Here's a crazy Idea....L-E-A-R-N.
If our pipeline welders do x-ray quality welding downhand on pipe, then
You can stick a simple bracket on....

6010/6011 is very rare in uk, and 6013/7018 is totally unsuitable for downhand.

 

[aesmith]

Rope hooks aren't any good for ratchets for three reasons.

1. They aren't load tested
2. If you put a rope on them the rope sits right near the corner meaning it would have to sheer the hook, if you attach a ratchet strap the load is applied further away from the corner increasing leverage and bending or snapping the hook.
3. To attach a ratchet strap to a rope hook people typically use the triangular hole.

(1) Nothing I attach to the trailer will be formally tested
(3) I've never seen anyone do that. That's similar to saying never use rope for anything because you might not tie a proper knot. I'm not sure on the bending argument, it depends on the orientation of the hook and the load. Worst case would be one side of the strap hook tight into the corner, the side 20 or 30mm along the free leg.

Having said that it might make sense to see if i can source and fit rings at the new locations. I'm not going to cut off snd replace the existing fittings but conceivably a bar could be added to close them.

Can anyone link to the sort of fitting I should be looking for?

 

[Munkul]

Weld On Triangular Lashing Ring

Product Features: Total Length: 181mm Plate Dimensions: 100 x 48mm Ring Dimensions: 81 x 88 x 13mm Zinc Plated Ring Permissible Tensile Load: 1000kg.

www.trailertek.com

 

[Migmac]

My tie downs are inside my trailer. For my purpose strapping down a quad the are brilliant. Quad can move a bit and straps come loose. Used to lose the odd one but now they all fall inside and I don’t lose any. Down side is they aren’t very obvious. Been pulled once for having an insecure load, made my day as it was strapped in!

 

[8ob]

I thought I had read that somewhere but wasn't sure, think is was a VOSA posting where they had pulled a trailer and they picked up that the load was secured via the rope hooks and it was a no-no

Yes, its quite a big fine per strap. The offence is insecure load, not sure whether they award points for that. @Pete.

Bob

 

[Pete.]

£100 fine per item in London. I saw a guy get stopped right outside the site delivering a dumper he got £100 fine just for one slightly loose toggle.

 

[KimB]

Yes, its quite a big fine per strap. The offence is insecure load, not sure whether they award points for that. @Pete.

Bob

3 points if you get someone on a bad day as well. Or a day to meet the traffic commissioner if you’re really lucky

 

[Bobupndown]

I'm sure these regulations and fines relate to commercial vehicles and trailers requiring an annual mot.
Can imagine too many private motorists with a small trailer will be pulled.
Any trailer I've ever owned has welded on hooks. Never been a problem.

 

[8ob]

I'm sure these regulations and fines relate to commercial vehicles and trailers requiring an annual mot.
Can imagine too many private motorists with a small trailer will be pulled.
Any trailer I've ever owned has welded on hooks. Never been a problem.

Local plod are not too interested in things like this, motorway plod and DVSA are. DVSA can pull anything over from mopeds to artics. Also need to be mindful of where insurances would be if a load came off and injured someone, pre new legislation it could have been called an accident, that cant apply now, a load is expected to stay on the vehicle even if its on its side.

Bob

 

[Agroshield]

Have you got a direct link to that?

See: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/securing-loads-on-hgvs-and-goods-vehicles

Also seems to be here as pdf if that is useful:

https://www.cpa.uk.net/downloads/537/DfT%20CoP%20Extract%20Securing%20loads%20on%20HGVs%20and%20goods%20vehicles.pdf

 

[Dozzer]

have allays used recessed trailer lashing rings, made a template up for a router that cuts the hole. and use it to line up on the chassis rails, they are rated to 500kg each and have 8 on my trailer, happily towed 3 tone dumper all the way back from Wales using them.
should only take an afternoon to fit 8 and they cost around £5-6 each, and when not using them they store nicely out the way when carrying flat loads

 

[Pete.]

I'm sure these regulations and fines relate to commercial vehicles and trailers requiring an annual mot.
Can imagine too many private motorists with a small trailer will be pulled.
Any trailer I've ever owned has welded on hooks. Never been a problem.View attachment 440489

If you put a 200kg ratchet strap on a lashing hook on your little tow-along you'll probably be fine because the load and the strap will be unable to overload the hook. Stick a tonne of tall equipment on it and a 1 tonne lorry strap and they are gonna get pissy.

 

[Agrismith]

(1) Nothing I attach to the trailer will be formally tested
(3) I've never seen anyone do that. That's similar to saying never use rope for anything because you might not tie a proper knot. I'm not sure on the bending argument, it depends on the orientation of the hook and the load. Worst case would be one side of the strap hook tight into the corner, the side 20 or 30mm along the free leg.

Having said that it might make sense to see if i can source and fit rings at the new locations. I'm not going to cut off snd replace the existing fittings but conceivably a bar could be added to close them.

Can anyone link to the sort of fitting I should be looking for?

The hooks themselves aren't load rated. It would appear that from dvsa point of view the welding doesn't matter as long as the attachment point is load rated. Other forms of load anchor are load rated often with it stamped on. The only other place they will allow you to strap to is a chassis component.

And a lot of rope hooks you physically can't attach a standard rather strap hook any other way to a rope hook, they simply won't hook on by the hook so it is very common to see them attached by the triangle.

You also have to remember that nothing has to make logical sense. The rules state not be used by ratchets, those are the reasons given. If you get caught using them incorrectly it's points and a fine for insecure load.

Load security can be quite complicated. Ratchets over the top of something often isnt enough to class it as secure.

 

[Erie Fred]

6010/6011 is very rare in uk, and 6013/7018 is totally unsuitable for downhand.

Can't you order it on Amazon ?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Forney-31105-Welding-32-Inch-5-Pound/dp/B000TGEFQA/ref=sr_1_7?crid=3SG817KE7HCP3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.C2taqZTATqmXeC_7PVPZCC5SG2ieXR5hxAuUInONqg5gOrMsA7nRDzsiZblfi8LP8e3Umo0JhOGGMvbJmrZi9rtsAHPL34uC0U27uiCtqVM0p1rT_skK6dNFLBUqfH73Il_P8rlfUlGOmk1WnS4xtAL7x9EDGkPNnBDwDEy48WByYZCzmmTRVu5owOd__E7wEm7IFK0ZieShbhJVnfIswVEhfj0HzkWpmC50RvQN0JMnHvuABQE1JYuYZrDkfwZ92cJG-RhqMF3z9C9oJ6zBCmhmvcOxnHTcmVLAGQiq-d4.Afb_i19kT7ArNKT7dBIoQhkn77Pg4oHTLHme_8hPC44&dib_tag=se&keywords=6011%2Bwelding%2Brod&qid=1709640094&sprefix=6011%2Bweldinrod%2Caps%2C902&sr=8-7&th=1

Next time Bricol flies over here, have him go to TSC and buy the 10 lb tins.

 

[defender dan]

have allays used recessed trailer lashing rings, made a template up for a router that cuts the hole. and use it to line up on the chassis rails, they are rated to 500kg each and have 8 on my trailer, happily towed 3 tone dumper all the way back from Wales using them.
should only take an afternoon to fit 8 and they cost around £5-6 each, and when not using them they store nicely out the way when carrying flat loads
View attachment 440494

These are exactly what I used on my trailer. Only thing I dislike about them is the crap that get`s stuck in there like leaves, mud etc

 

[E T]

6010/6011 is very rare in uk, and 6013/7018 is totally unsuitable for downhand.

6013 is no problem vertical down. 6012 is better. Even 7018 is doable but not easy.
These outside corners I did with 6013 vertical down.