Weld On Lashing Hooks

[Mick Annick]

Well it seems like our whole industry could be in trouble!

These rules are nothing new, but DVSA and the Police are enforcing them more than in the past.

 

[nickk]

Whatever you weld on ,don’t use vertical down with a mig or mma,it’s not strong enough for anything other than sheet steel.

 

[Bornfree]

These rules are nothing new, but DVSA and the Police are enforcing them more than in the past.

I got pulled up by DVSA last year in my 4x4 with two jumbo bags of ballast in a single axle 8 x 4 trailer. It's a home made trailer and they were convinced I was overweight, out came the axle scales 1720kgs. No plate on the trailer or axle so they could only go on tyre rating and luckily I had a couple of 195/50 r13 ifor Williams tyre's on it rated at 900kgs per tyre. After checking lights brakes hitch and not finding a problem they sent me on the way with a warning about an insecure load even though the trailer sides are 600mm high.

 

[E T]

6013 fair enough, it's not ideal though. Slag entrapment is too easy on fillet joints. And I wouldn't ever recommend it for a structural purpose.
7018 is not recommended for vertical down at all. Most of the datasheets specifically state this.

I totally agree. I too wouldn't weld anything structural that way. I don't even like 6013. Most stuff I weld is with either 7018 or 7016.
I know 7018 vertical down is a no go. No wps will ever specify that although there seems to be a low hydrogen rod for vertical down, 7045 or 7048 I think. Never used them though.

 

[aesmith]

All I have is E6013.

 

[8ob]

All I use on trailers is loops of chain, ends can be bolted down or passed through the flooring and under cross members. It has a load rating as do the bolts and its very cheap/effective. Just saying.

Bob

 

[aesmith]

All I use on trailers is loops of chain,

Chain, funny as I was thinking something similar. Keep them coming, I can already see i may end up not using those hooks at all, and maybe not even welding anything.

 

[arther dailey]

have allays used recessed trailer lashing rings, made a template up for a router that cuts the hole. and use it to line up on the chassis rails, they are rated to 500kg each and have 8 on my trailer, happily towed 3 tone dumper all the way back from Wales using them.
should only take an afternoon to fit 8 and they cost around £5-6 each, and when not using them they store nicely out the way when carrying flat loads
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interesting , as pictured which face goes to outside of truck/trailer ? top or bottom ? I would fit with bottom as then all four fixings are in shear when load applied , yet if fitted with top(at outside edge) as in pic it would be only the top two fixings taking the initial load.,the bottom two only being a pivot point when the top two had sheared....be interesting if some had the capability of the break away point either way around.

 

[denlow60]

Here I have a table with an American code for the welding positions.

 

[bletchmonster]

So is it still legal to use rope hooks with rope to secure a load if using the old fashioned roping methods?
Obviously no good for heavy machinery.

 

[Agroshield]

So is it still legal to use rope hooks with rope to secure a load if using the old fashioned roping methods?

Read the document linked to above. The info. you require is bottom of page 23/top of page 24.

 

[bletchmonster]

Read the document linked to above. The info. you require is bottom of page 23/top of page 24.

Thank you @Agroshield
Looks like the days of roping and sheeting a load have properly gone.
I've still being using ropes for hay and straw

 

[addjunkie]

Thank you @Agroshield
Looks like the days of roping and sheeting a load have properly gone.
I've still being using ropes for hay and straw

Straps are quicker, if you only use 1

 

[Agroshield]

Straps are quicker, if you only use 1

The guide covers straw bales. I think it says 1 strap per row and two on the front and rear rows (p.38). General agricultural haulage is page 29.

For me, it was interesting to see what it says about scaffold wagons. No-one around here does what it says.

 

[aesmith]

interesting , as pictured which face goes to outside of truck/trailer ? top or bottom ?

They're intended to fit flat on the trailer floor.

 

[addjunkie]

The guide covers straw bales. I think it says 1 strap per row and two on the front and rear rows (p.38). General agricultural haulage is page 29.

For me, it was interesting to see what it says about scaffold wagons. No-one around here does what it says.

Same could be said for bale carrying round here. I passed one the other day 10 x 4ft bales on a flat bed, two layers 6 on the bottom, two a abreast, 4 on top, back of a pickup with one on the bed. 12 ft ifor trailer. Two straps.

 

[arther dailey]

They're intended to fit flat on the trailer floor.

ah you mis read, I understand how they are inlet into floor ,its which way around they are fitted I am asking as the "correct" way to me is wrong

 

[aesmith]

Go

ah you mis read, I understand how they are inlet into floor ,its which way around they are fitted I am asking as the "correct" way to me is wrong

Gotcha. As pictured, I'd fit so the load is pulling down, away from the end with the pivot. That's because the ring is completely free to take up the line in that direction. Other way round it's not clear how far past vertical it can pivot. The load could be trying to dislocate the joint instead of trsnsferring to the pivot. With 8mm bolts the fixings arent likely to be a limiting factor.

Incidentally one suppliers says that this sort of fixed can't be rated at over 500kg. He doesn't give a source.

 

[8ob]

Go

Gotcha. As pictured, I'd fit so the load is pulling down, away from the end with the pivot. That's because the ring is completely free to take up the line in that direction. Other way round it's not clear how far past vertical it can pivot. The load could be trying to dislocate the joint instead of trsnsferring to the pivot. With 8mm bolts the fixings arent likely to be a limiting factor.

Incidentally one suppliers says that this sort of fixed can't be rated at over 500kg. He doesn't give a source.

These recessed lift up fittings aren't that good, bought a new trailer with these fitted down both sides, most of the rings have torn out of casings, they are a bit fragile.

Bob

 

[indy4x]

See: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/securing-loads-on-hgvs-and-goods-vehicles

Also seems to be here as pdf if that is useful:

https://www.cpa.uk.net/downloads/537/DfT%20CoP%20Extract%20Securing%20loads%20on%20HGVs%20and%20goods%20vehicles.pdf

Thanks for the link, very informative