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new one on me... 2025 road fund raping for EV converts
It seems to affect vans the worst.
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It seems to affect vans the worst.
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Retrospectively charged RFL for what were Zero rated alternative fueled BEV vehicles - dropping the 10% on PHEVS - I found distasteful to say the least.
Next hurdle will be the 5% VAT rate on electric used to charge EV's at domestic premises.
Then they will move onto fuel duty somehow?
Why do you think there is a push to fit remotely programmable smart meters in everyones houses.
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Its nothing personal - you are a motorist - you are/have always been an easy target for revenue.
People pay parking permits to park outside their own houses - congestion charges to drive into areas they were born in - speeding tickets from robot cameras - speed awareness courses - the list is endless...
You are paying the highest fuel duties on the planet to power ICE cars already - what made you think BEV/PHEV's were gonna be any different?
Next hurdle will be the 5% VAT rate on electric used to charge EV's at domestic premises.
Then they will move onto fuel duty somehow?
Why do you think there is a push to fit remotely programmable smart meters in everyones houses.
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Its nothing personal - you are a motorist - you are/have always been an easy target for revenue.
People pay parking permits to park outside their own houses - congestion charges to drive into areas they were born in - speeding tickets from robot cameras - speed awareness courses - the list is endless...
You are paying the highest fuel duties on the planet to power ICE cars already - what made you think BEV/PHEV's were gonna be any different?
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The oldest snake oil trick in the book.
Suck them in with sweeteners & freebies, promise that you're doing this for their own good and the good of humanity & the planet.....
..... then just as soon as enough are on the hook, and it's established, and those on the hook cant back out & ....
...... roll out the Sting - all those financial barbs to milk the victims that have so clearly been long-planned just waiting in the wings to spring the trap.
It's so obvious - and yet somehow so many totally failed to see it coming?
The problem with VED is the government made it an emissions based thing, when in my opinion it should never have been.
VED should be being used to fund the upkeep and building of new roads and an EV is doing the same damage to the roads as an ICE vehicle.
VED should in my opinion be based on how much damage your vehicle is doing to the road surface, thus a bigger, heavier, higher torque vehicle should be paying more.
If they want to make it emissions related, then VED should be split into 2 parts, emissions and road damage, in my opinion.
VED should be being used to fund the upkeep and building of new roads and an EV is doing the same damage to the roads as an ICE vehicle.
VED should in my opinion be based on how much damage your vehicle is doing to the road surface, thus a bigger, heavier, higher torque vehicle should be paying more.
If they want to make it emissions related, then VED should be split into 2 parts, emissions and road damage, in my opinion.
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@GRW - Comment on above - Like drug dealers giving out free wraps of skag?
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I was horrified by the "Retrospectively charged RFL for what were Zero rated alternative fueled BEV vehicles - dropping the 10% on PHEVS".
Some of these people bought into this based on their carbon footprint. They did what they did - made the purchase - with the best intentions...
The Retard from Norfolk - declares the Governments actions - nasty...
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Anybody that didn’t think that the government wouldn’t keep their take of revenue by hook or by crook is living in cloud cuckoo land.
People didn’t “fail to see it coming” - the choice is either to pay tax on an ice or have a few years of not paying it on an ev. The VED evens things up but the “fuel” cost is still, for now at least still pretty decent (assuming you can charge at home etc).
At some point though the government will of course reduce that as well - you are not some sort of all knowing sage for pointing this out - it was always on the cards.
People didn’t “fail to see it coming” - the choice is either to pay tax on an ice or have a few years of not paying it on an ev. The VED evens things up but the “fuel” cost is still, for now at least still pretty decent (assuming you can charge at home etc).
At some point though the government will of course reduce that as well - you are not some sort of all knowing sage for pointing this out - it was always on the cards.
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Retrospective anything is a bad idea...I think they'll probably make it prospective after 2025...but they won't give the game away until it happens.
Smart meters and smart chargers are a clear route towards taxing EV electricity I'm thinking.
Smart meters and smart chargers are a clear route towards taxing EV electricity I'm thinking.
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I would agree with you and what you have said above.
But retrospective charging is a bad idea.... Not nice...
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I hope you are right about this....
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Governments act in self preservation and to serve their own interests, not those who elected them. Twas ever so, will ever be, and should never come as a suprise.
It's never the revenue from tax I object to, it's the criminal way they waste it.
It's never the revenue from tax I object to, it's the criminal way they waste it.
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But if they roll out RFL and then VAT and fuel duty on electric for EV's
This may slow down or stop the "green initiative"...
Seems to me - it is all "greenwashing" - they just finding new ways to tax Co2 - give themselves something else to trade in - tax the masses on.
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If you care about the planet - and I hate to say this - the topless chicks from Extinction Rebellion have a more credible agenda....
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If a government wants to “move” things in a certain direction, they have basically 2 choices.
Make the thing they want to move away from expensive or ban it outright. That’s where they are with ice at the moment.
For something that they want to introduce, give things like grants, tax breaks and incentives to make it financially attractive. That’s what they are doing with ev, and are now in the process of reducing these differentials. A couple of years ago you could get a couple of grand off a new ev purchase if it was under a certain amount, and they were giving grants to install charger - both these have long gone already.
That’s it - it’ll be some combination of those that they use to persuade people to change. History shows that grants/incentives only last so long, once there becomes a critical mass then they invariably get pulled and the status quo returns, they continue to get their take.
It’s been the same in the past, it’ll be the same in the future.
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"The carrot has gone and it is out with the stick"
Banning ICE cars - is not gonna be an easy hurdle to cross either - unless every other western country in the world does it as well...
Another point from this thread - that has came up - if transport poverty comes and if it only affects the lower 15/20% of people and they can't get to the shops or work - thats the economy down the toilet as well....
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Which they are - different timescales but pretty much all have said that’s it. Personally I don’t think we will meet the deadline we have set, and nor do I think the deadline they set is right.
The countries phasing out internal combustion engines
The European Union approved on Monday a deal that will lead to the phaseout of sales of new fossil fuel cars by 2035, with a final green light by energy ministers due on Tuesday.
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Thats my feelings mate.
Not quite the vehicle burning in his driveway - but it is not fair and anything that is unjust should/would be illegal (if challanged).
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unfortunately not ... the only thing I can see changing is them deciding to drop the retrospective application of ved as some kind of political sop to the masses
Vat relief will go to match other non domestic fuel duty too.
I would expect ulez changes as well.. back to congestion charges rather than air quality.
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