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Look where that got Deloran. (or was that another Gov FU)
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Look where that got Deloran. (or was that another Gov FU)
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The Delorean was Stainless steel. Period
End of similarities to what I am suggesting.
How you can suggest they would meet the same fate is mind boggling.
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Did a city and guilds and IET electric vehicle charging point installation course a few weeks back. The amount of guff and form filling etc etc for installing a charger is madness proper madness. Passed thankfully even though I’d never read the on-site guide or 18th edition wiring regs before.
If everyone bought old Toyota's we wouldn't need to replace anything
that's not true, had to replace a uj. it hadn't been greased in the 200k miles it did tho
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The Teslas bring on the brake lights at a certain decel rate (which is dependent on a few variables - battery charge one of them) - you can actually see the brake lights come on in the display on the dash.
I believe the big motors & big performance of so many of the Tesla cars etc is for one reason (same as all the expensive demo's and competition entry specials like for the Goodwood Hill Climb).... its to win the hearts and minds of Joe Punter & encourage adoption.
To so many, their car is (they seem to think) a reflection of and indication of themselves (or at least, of how they wish to be perceived). So buying a "milk float" is decidedly uncool, but an EV that can out-accelerate an ICE hot-hatch, with an "impressive" Top Trumps" bhp & torque etc factsheet, is far more palatable & says better with the self-image.
They don't offer so many truly "sensible" & practical EV's simply because they know the market, & know the punter.... so really the reason why is because the buying public have their priorities shot to hell, and wouldn't buy them (but perhaps will in the future, when the cost of living becomes crazy).
To so many, their car is (they seem to think) a reflection of and indication of themselves (or at least, of how they wish to be perceived). So buying a "milk float" is decidedly uncool, but an EV that can out-accelerate an ICE hot-hatch, with an "impressive" Top Trumps" bhp & torque etc factsheet, is far more palatable & says better with the self-image.
They don't offer so many truly "sensible" & practical EV's simply because they know the market, & know the punter.... so really the reason why is because the buying public have their priorities shot to hell, and wouldn't buy them (but perhaps will in the future, when the cost of living becomes crazy).
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Shocking!that's not true, had to replace a uj. it hadn't been greased in the 200k miles it did tho
If I hadn't just managed to get a new Ford Ranger on hire I was going to rent a smaller electric car and buy a Range Rover L322 for towing and longer trips.
I have nothing against electric cars but it is rather unfair as they don't pay fuel duty so other motorists are subsidising them. If fuel was only 60p per litre here I wonder how many people would bother?
I have nothing against electric cars but it is rather unfair as they don't pay fuel duty so other motorists are subsidising them. If fuel was only 60p per litre here I wonder how many people would bother?
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More likely a Corolla than a land cruiser? My brother had to change the engine in his land cruiser.that's not true, had to replace a uj. it hadn't been greased in the 200k miles it did tho
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Not really, I would imagine it’s like any new technology it’s introduced on high end motors (think s class mercs which always introduced the latest tech for as long as I can remember, certainly well back to the 80’s) and then moves down to more mainstream models.
Tesla, as a start up company needed something to showcase their product and also people willing and able to pay a premium in order to finance their lower range models which were introduced later. They didn’t have the luxury (pardon the pun) of having another range of cars to finance the start up.
Also the performance analogy between ice and ev doesn’t really stack up - high performance cars always come with the overhead of pretty dire fuel consumption. A big engine typically uses a lot of fuel even when you are bumbling around in them (I know there are exceptions). Even high performance Ev’s tend to still get really good efficiency when driven “normally”.
Now the tech is a little older there’s more and more “mainstream” Ev’s available which is only increasing.
Using words like “milk float” and throwing out the same old stereotypes doesn’t really add much to the argument either to be honest.
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Not entirely true as not all fuel duty is spent on transport infrastructure, it just goes into a big pot where they spend money on daft projects that make their mates the most dosh.
Don't worry, duty on EV charging will happen at some stage. They will dye the electrons red so they can tell if you have sneakily charged your car from an unmanaged car charge point
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Presumably similarly outraged by lpg conversions and people using veg oil?Not entirely true as not all fuel duty is spent on transport infrastructure, it just goes into a big pot where they spend money on daft projects that make their mates the most dosh.
Don't worry, duty on EV charging will happen at some stage. They will dye the electrons red so they can tell if you have sneakily charged your car from an unmanaged car charge point
I've certainly not done more that browse a bit of material, but I was basing my comment on the fact that one of the currently recommended "budget" models the MG4 has 200HP in its long range version, and an article I read about expected budget models from Tesla and VW was expecting both to be over 200HP as well.
Your other points seem to be a bit contradictory, on the one hand saying that 200HP plus is needed because of lack of gears and the torque characteristics. Then on the other hand you say it's nonsense, there are plenty of EVs with smaller motors.
In hindsight it was probably misleading to quote that 200 figure anyway. My argument would be the same if I'd said 150HP, also much more than is needed.
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See my previous answer - it’s not really “hard” to make a more powerful electric motor, and if they do have more power then it doesn’t really translate into being less efficient when you don’t need that power, unlike an ice car where you need bigger/more complex engines which drink more fuel pretty much all the time.
Ours has a small motor, something like 11-12 secs 0-60. But the ones with bigger/more powerful motors have the same range/consumption figures.
Objectively, apart from the problem of finding one thats not knackered, why not? The most economical car we ever had the use of was the missus first company car, a 1985 Ford Orion. It return 65mpg average over her monthly mileage, vs just over 60 for the Escort that replaced it and the low 50's she got from her Peugeot. The Orion would go down the motorwaymotorway at well over the limit (I couldn't quite get 100 indicated), but nowadays there are too many cameras to travel much over 70 anyway.
If or when the UK goes fully EV it will mean changes in the electrical service, or changes in how we use. Imagine if all 32 million cars were EVs and say 10% were put on charge after work, what sort of additional load would that put on the whole grid?Are these electric cars not free to charge then?
Sort of explains the massive hike in leccy charges.
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The fact that I already explained, I am away a fair bit and don’t have the luxury of being at home to sort stuff out.
Also when I am home as much as I like messing with stuff, the prospect of getting under a car appeals less than spending time with my family.
Apart from that, I’d also quite like them to have modern stuff like airbags and things if it does go wrong.
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