Adventures in an all electric vehicle.

[GRW]

I was aware of it, but it's that restrictive, I'm not aware of anybody who's actually made use of it.

It's a UK only exemption, so major vehicle manufacturer's have not really produced suitable vehicles as there is little commercial viability.
It doesn't apply to anything carrying goods, so is no use for couriers who are the ones most likely to make use of the exemption.

It was one of those law changes that was aimed to try and increase EV development/use, but became so restrictive, they might as well not have bothered.

As usual, it's gratifying to see that our public servants have done their research & due diligence, & come up with a viable and workable transport solution

 

[voipio]

Electric Bin Lorry.

Just talking to our bin man about the Renault all electric recycling lorry who described it as absolute cr*p.!. He remarked they were only half way into their round and the batteries down to 38 % . They have now got to back to the depot and get another one. He also said the thing is so heavy the...

www.mig-welding.co.uk

 

[GRW]

Electric Bin Lorry.

Just talking to our bin man about the Renault all electric recycling lorry who described it as absolute cr*p.!. He remarked they were only half way into their round and the batteries down to 38 % . They have now got to back to the depot and get another one. He also said the thing is so heavy the...

www.mig-welding.co.uk

This is no big surprise. Its a case of diminishing returns or suchlike for EV's where load-lugging is concerned.
So much power, needs such big & heavy power packs that the payload & range get smaller & more pointless the bigger you go..... so they become as much use as a chocolate welding torch.

That'll be (yet) another expensive White Elephant with little practical value at the Taxpayers expense then.

There's very sound reasons why big loco's are diesel-electric, or fed by overhead power lines.

Will we see a return of the electric tramway in cities several decades after they tore them all out? If they did, at least the electric bin lorry might actually be of some practical use.

 

[cheb]

And I'm sure all the binmen refuse operatives involved are progessive thinking types who'll see the positive in every change and advancement in technology, just like so many posters on here.

 

[fizzy]

Enfield Council launches first fully electric Renault Trucks E-Tech refuse truck

Enfield Council launches first fully electric Renault Trucks E-Tech refuse truck

www.renault-trucks.co.uk

Cardiff Council did this as well.
There was a media outcry when people started taking photos of them charging off stinky diesel generators
They are now switching back to normal bin lorries.

 

[fizzy]

Labour council admits to using diesel generators to charge electric lorries

Cardiff Council said it was using gas-guzzling generators to charge its electric van fleet - which requires between six and seven hours to fully charge - on a "temporary basis".

www.express.co.uk

 

[fizzy]

Initially Cardiff claimed it was temporary. Now they say they don't have the infrastructure so will switch back to diesel.
Remember the CF postcode covers a big area. From the city centre right up to the really steep hills in the valleys.

Cardiff council considers diesel bin lorries over grid concerns

Cardiff council says there is insufficient capacity in the grid to use more electric lorries.

news.yahoo.com

 

[cheb]

And where will your so called diesels be without good clean zero pollution electricity driving the pumps that fill them up?

Eh? Eh? You hadn't thought of that had you?

 

[GRW]

And I'm sure all the binmen refuse operatives involved are progessive thinking types who'll see the positive in every change and advancement in technology, just like so many posters on here.

Oh c'mon. Really? You can honestly say that deploying hugely expensive machines to do a job of work.... that demonstrably aren't fit-for-purpose..... is "a positive advancement in technology"?

Tell me where the positive advancement is, in the environmental & financial cost, of manufacturing & operating a bin lorry that cannot complete a short collection round without needing to halve it so 2 runs are needed instead of 1.... for every round of collections, week-in, week-out?
How is that saving the planet, saving money, offering positives & advancement?

Clearly your barometer of efficiency and fitness for purpose, are different to any I've come across.

 

[premmington]

Oh c'mon. Really? You can honestly say that deploying hugely expensive machines to do a job of work.... that demonstrably aren't fit-for-purpose..... is "a positive advancement in technology"?

Tell me where the positive advancement is, in the environmental & financial cost, of manufacturing & operating a bin lorry that cannot complete a short collection round without needing to halve it so 2 runs are needed instead of 1.... for every round of collections, week-in, week-out?
How is that saving the planet, saving money, offering positives & advancement?

Clearly your barometer of efficiency and fitness for purpose, are different to any I've come across.

I was trying to work out the pay load of one of these electric bin lorries to work out in my mind if they usefull....?

I cannot find the detail anywhere to compare with a Scannia or the something along these lines.

 

[fizzy]

And where will your so called diesels be without good clean zero pollution electricity driving the pumps that fill them up?

Eh? Eh? You hadn't thought of that had you?

Certain people seem to get nice cheap diesel with nothing more than a syphon

 

[GRW]

I was trying to work out the pay load of one of these electric bin lorries to work out in my mind if they usefull....?

I cannot find the detail anywhere to compare with a Scannia or the something along these lines.

In theory (stress in theory) something like a bin wagon ought to be one of the easier commercial roles for an EV to fill.
- Short journeys base back to base.
- loads that in volume aren't that heavy compared to other loads like steel, aggregates etc.
Thing is, an empty bin lorry will be a heavy beast to begin with, as the steel container and compacting equipment all add up - so a typical say 16-tonne chassis cab underpinnings will lose a lot of payload there.
Add what must be some tonnes? in batteries, plus possible extra reinforcement & carriers for all the batteries on the chassis - and its an odds-on bet that the EV bin lorry payload.... is considerably less than its diesel counterpart.

 

[Erie Fred]

What if the truck combusted the trash on board, and ran a small steam turbine
to charge the batteries on the go ?

 

[premmington]

Certain people seem to get nice cheap diesel with nothing more than a syphon

I seen plastic car tanks drilled with a battery drill - this can be an expensive theft - tank can be over a £1k on some cars.

 

[brightspark]

I seen plastic car tanks drilled with a battery drill - this can be an expensive theft - tank can be over a £1k on some cars.

get the penny washers and stainless steel nut and bolt with a neoprene washer out

 

[premmington]

What if the truck combusted the trash on board, and ran a small steam turbine
to charge the batteries on the go ?

steam powered car - Google Search

@Erie Fred you from America are you not?

Do you find Jay Leno as irritating as I do (being English).

Cultural question...?

 

[premmington]

get the penny washers and stainless steel nut and bolt with a neoprene washer out

I might if it was my own car - but for a customers car with fuel involved - it gotta be right.

 

[fizzy]

In theory (stress in theory) something like a bin wagon ought to be one of the easier commercial roles for an EV to fill.
- Short journeys base back to base.
- loads that in volume aren't that heavy compared to other loads like steel, aggregates etc.
Thing is, an empty bin lorry will be a heavy beast to begin with, as the steel container and compacting equipment all add up - so a typical say 16-tonne chassis cab underpinnings will lose a lot of payload there.
Add what must be some tonnes? in batteries, plus possible extra reinforcement & carriers for all the batteries on the chassis - and its an odds-on bet that the EV bin lorry payload.... is considerably less than its diesel counterpart.

Think of Wales. Depot in Cardiff or maybe Pontypridd. Collecting from up the valleys. Some seriously steep hills.

 

[fizzy]

steam powered car - Google Search

@Erie Fred you from America are you not?

Do you find Jay Leno as irritating as I do (being English).

Cultural question...?

He might be annoying but I love his collection

 

[bricol]

Whereas I, also being English, find him quite interesting, informative, funny and genuine about his interest in motor vehicles