Adventures in an all electric vehicle.

[bricol]

Think of Wales. Depot in Cardiff or maybe Pontypridd. Collecting from up the valleys. Some seriously steep hills.

But that's not where Enfield are going to be using their fully electric bin wagons they have been testing for a year on 50 mile routes . . . and according to the article, using already installed, and about to be installed, chargers to keep 'em going, rather than generators.

As a full on petrol engine enthusiast myself, you do have to see things have to change - and no-one has ever designed the perfect solution to any problem at the first attempt - you have to go through a few iterations, dead-ends, false starts, wrong directions to get there.

You might argue, the last 100 yrs plus of ICE development has been a dead end street after the impressive work done on electric vehicles way back then - somewhere recently, I saw a photo of a fleet of council wagons plugged into the charge. Over 100 yrs ago.

 

[cheb]

Maybe there's suitable situations for both types of power for bin lorries.

Several cities I've been to have small electric buses in the centre and bigger ones further out. Lisbon still uses the old trams in the centre because of the tight curves but has modern ones where there's more space.

 

[fizzy]

But that's not where Enfield are going to be using their fully electric bin wagons they have been testing for a year on 50 mile routes . . . and according to the article, using already installed, and about to be installed, chargers to keep 'em going, rather than generators.

As a full on petrol engine enthusiast myself, you do have to see things have to change - and no-one has ever designed the perfect solution to any problem at the first attempt - you have to go through a few iterations, dead-ends, false starts, wrong directions to get there.

You might argue, the last 100 yrs plus of ICE development has been a dead end street after the impressive work done on electric vehicles way back then - somewhere recently, I saw a photo of a fleet of council wagons plugged into the charge. Over 100 yrs ago.

I am certainly not against electric vehicles per se. I will become in favour of electric vehicles when we have abundant, cheap and CO2 free ways of generating electricity. Oh and when the cars starts paying the same taxes as everyone else.
Wood burners cause far more pollution these days than vehicles in city centres.

 

[daleyd]

Electric bin lorries aren’t exactly new, they were trialling them about 3-4 years ago around here.

Manchester have had a few of them for several years. As have any other number of councils going from a quick google search.

If a route was genuinely taking “twice as long” then I would imagine they would ditch them pretty sharpish, but they seem to still be going ahead with them.

 

[Erie Fred]

steam powered car - Google Search

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@Erie Fred you from America are you not?

Do you find Jay Leno as irritating as I do (being English).

Cultural question...?

Yes,....yes I yam.
I dunno, I can't stay up that late to see his "Act".

His Car museum and restorations seem nice, he seems a genuine nice fellow
when interviewed.

Recall we also have qty (1) "Craig Ferguson" over here now.....

 

[GRW]

Electric bin lorries aren’t exactly new, they were trialling them about 3-4 years ago around here.

Manchester have had a few of them for several years. As have any other number of councils going from a quick google search.

If a route was genuinely taking “twice as long” then I would imagine they would ditch them pretty sharpish, but they seem to still be going ahead with them.

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Still trying to play the man not the ball huh with the Python stuff.
Instead of trying cheap shots & low blows... let's see how things pan out eh?

(I find it somewhat ironic that you're acting more like your little joke than I am btw. Deflection from the salient point of the shortcomings of the "advanced" Refuse Truck EV's through cheap shots might work on the playground, but you'll need to rather better than this!).

How much (more) does an EV bin lorry cost to buy I wonder? You can be sure it's a lot. I dare say it's manufacturing footprint is a very large booted foot as well.

 

[premmington]

Still trying to play the man not the ball huh with the Python stuff.
Instead of trying cheap shots & low blows... let's see how things pan out eh?

(I find it somewhat ironic that you're acting more like your little joke than I am btw. Deflection from the salient point of the shortcomings of the "advanced" Refuse Truck EV's through cheap shots might work on the playground, but you'll need to rather better than this!).

How much (more) does an EV bin lorry cost to buy I wonder? You can be sure it's a lot. I dare say it's manufacturing footprint is a very large booted foot as well.

Leading the charge - an electric refuse collection lorry - Sunderland City Council

Our new refuse lorry is all electric - no diesel motor here.

www.sunderland.gov.uk

A shocking £423k big ones per truck....

GVW 27ton...

 

[cheb]

How many smoking big ones for the diesel?

 

[slim_boy_fat]

Add what must be some tonnes? in batteries, plus possible extra reinforcement & carriers for all the batteries on the chassis - and its an odds-on bet that the EV bin lorry payload.... is considerably less than its diesel counterpart.

Well, when it spontaneously bursts into flames, it'll incinerate the contents - win/win.

 

[daleyd]

Still trying to play the man not the ball huh with the Python stuff

Cheap shots? Underpants? Referring to them as “milk floats”?

On this we certainly agree (while there are those on here, that are).

I’m fine with a bit of banter, if you’re getting a bit sniffy I’ll stop

 

[not done it yet]

scimitars had a problem as the ford supplied webber carb had a push fit fuel inlet pipe, when it got hot the alloy carb expanded and the brass pipe under 3-5 psi popped out,
the car would run on for a few seconds while spraying petrol onto a hot engine,
the body would be totally consumed at the front,
however a similar granada etc after a fire still looked like a granada, even if totally ********.

I had that happen at a fair bit over a hundred mph, on a short motorway, in the summer of 1976 in my modified Escort. Car filled with petrol fumes but lucky(?) not to get ignited. I rolled off the motorway (after immediately switching off the ignition) and gently raised the bonnet to see petrol still boiling on the engine. I didn’t know it was a recurrent failure but made sure the fuel pipe connector was never going to come loose again! I felt it was a good job the distributor was well in front of the fuel spray and on the other side of the engine.

 

[fizzy]

I remember back in the 70s our local Corona pop lorry was electric.
Corona was a great Welsh success story. The pop was stunning - full of sugar an E numbers

BBC - Wales History: The story of Corona pop

From the 1920s through to the end of the 1980s the sight and sound of the Corona pop man meant delight for thousands of children across the whole of Britain....

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Erie Fred]

Well, when it spontaneously bursts into flames, it'll incinerate the contents - win/win.

Right here....in the street, no clogging up the highways with large trucks going back/forth to the dump....Of course
forms will need filled out.

 

[Robotstar5]

Well, when it spontaneously bursts into flames, it'll incinerate the contents - win/win.

Unless the driver follows their training, in the event of a fire they dump the load into the road to save the truck, but in the case of the EV truck you end up with a burnt out truck and a pile of untouched rubbish lose/lose

 

[fizzy]

Lithium battery fires are becoming a real headache at recycling centres etc.

Batteries linked to hundreds of waste fires

Batteries thrown into household rubbish bins cause about 700 fires a year in waste facilities, a survey suggests.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Erie Fred]

Unless the driver follows their training, in the event of a fire they dump the load into the road to save the truck, but in the case of the EV truck you end up with a burnt out truck and a pile of untouched rubbish lose/lose

...and the release of all those carbon credits....Poof.

 

[Blobber]

I remember back in the 70s our local Corona pop lorry was electric.
Corona was a great Welsh success story. The pop was stunning - full of sugar an E numbers

BBC - Wales History: The story of Corona pop

From the 1920s through to the end of the 1980s the sight and sound of the Corona pop man meant delight for thousands of children across the whole of Britain....

www.bbc.co.uk

Ours was a dirty old Bedford TK!

 

[not done it yet]

Lithium battery fires are becoming a real headache at recycling centres etc.

Batteries linked to hundreds of waste fires

Batteries thrown into household rubbish bins cause about 700 fires a year in waste facilities, a survey suggests.

www.bbc.co.uk

One of the most common are single-use e-cigarette thingies, apparently. Lump together the ‘smokers’ and dumping of these things in domestic waste (or just discarded?) might indicate the group these people belong to?

There is talk of banning these cheap chinese imports.

 

[daleyd]

Batteries linked to hundreds of waste fires

Batteries thrown into household rubbish bins cause about 700 fires a year in waste facilities, a survey suggests.

www.bbc.co.uk

It’s kind of to be expected, as it’s not part of a batteries normal life cycle to be crushed up in amongst a load of flammable waste. As said above, single use stuff like E cigarettes are the biggest culprit.

 

[Erie Fred]

It’s kind of to be expected, as it’s not part of a batteries normal life cycle to be crushed up in amongst a load of flammable waste. As said above, single use stuff like E cigarettes are the biggest culprit.

That's what I don' understand, if these are "single use", then why a Li Ion rechargeable battery ?
What's wrong with a simple carbon battery ?