battery chainsaws

[zzr1200]

That sort of illustrates why you need the training.



Yup, agree with that. The ‘laws’ people come up with relating to H&S amaze me. What he meant was, it’s company policy, but to argue that it’s the law is just stupid

Most people only ever need a standard saw, they never really need a top handle, but why does that make someone (who's probably never picked a saw up) think that someone else doesn't have the intelligence to use a top handle saw.

Yes, there's the possibly of kick back but is the case with all chainsaws, the left hand/arm is normally covering the chain brake when the bar in vertical position, not so when putting in a face cut, back cut or bore cutting generally while felling, so kick back protection is only really built in while bucking (so does this mean someone who is a south paw is not allowed to use a saw, because they're not possibly covering the chain brake...).

I've seen very few tree videos where people bore cut in a tree with a top handle saw, yes there's a higher chance of kick back in a tree, but no difference with a standard saw probably even higher, due the the added length/weigh/balance/design of standard saw.

So we are talking about close in use of the saw with one hand up a tree, dangerous it can be agreed, but its more dangerous one handing a standard saw up a tree, a top handle saw gives you the opportunity to either have better balance in a tree, control the branch, push the branch directionally, hang on if your out of position on a rope, using the saw at arms length, or use 2 hands on the saw if you so wish....

And then there's the idiot sales man/company policies, they are there to sell equipment, not to interpret the HSE/Training recommendations,.

Note:- If that is the case all modern cars should be banded so we can't drive them, because they can exceed the speed the 70 mph limit in this country....

 

[James1979]

Nothing to do with intelligence, just different technique and different saw.

Kickback protection should (!) activate in any position regardless of the left hand due to the intertia brake. Left handed folk just have to get on with it, I’m afraid.

Using a conventional saw one handed isn’t just awkward. It’s stupid and dangerous.

A top handled saw isn’t more dangerous or less dangerous, it’s a different tool that’s a specific use. The guidance / training is that one handed use is a last resort, or some such words. Real life doesn’t lend itself to that I understand. If you’re holding a piece of tree and cutting it at the same time, there’s a way of doing it.

The reason is so the saw doesn’t skip along the branch and get your hands and arm.

If you’re reasonably competent a step cut will allow you to achieve what you need without holding it, then snap the branch off.

That’s just one example I’m using that training is a good idea. The temptation for home users is to use them one handed on the ground. That’s when accidents happen, the stats go sky high and they get banned. Hence the manufacturers trying to self regulate against stupid.

To an extent the seller/hirer etc has to interpret the regs as they are potentially the first port of call if stupid injures himself.

Think they are doing that with cars I’m sure that was in another thread. Unless I read it elsewhere. They’re looking to make limiters compulsory but I’ve no idea about the ins and outs. I don’t buy new trucks so it won’t affect me : D

 

[pcwizme]

Most people only ever need a standard saw, they never really need a top handle, but why does that make someone (who's probably never picked a saw up) think that someone else doesn't have the intelligence to use a top handle saw.

Yes, there's the possibly of kick back but is the case with all chainsaws, the left hand/arm is normally covering the chain brake when the bar in vertical position, not so when putting in a face cut, back cut or bore cutting generally while felling, so kick back protection is only really built in while bucking (so does this mean someone who is a south paw is not allowed to use a saw, because they're not possibly covering the chain brake...).

I've seen very few tree videos where people bore cut in a tree with a top handle saw, yes there's a higher chance of kick back in a tree, but no difference with a standard saw probably even higher, due the the added length/weigh/balance/design of standard saw.

So we are talking about close in use of the saw with one hand up a tree, dangerous it can be agreed, but its more dangerous one handing a standard saw up a tree, a top handle saw gives you the opportunity to either have better balance in a tree, control the branch, push the branch directionally, hang on if your out of position on a rope, using the saw at arms length, or use 2 hands on the saw if you so wish....

And then there's the idiot sales man/company policies, they are there to sell equipment, not to interpret the HSE/Training recommendations,.

Note:- If that is the case all modern cars should be banded so we can't drive them, because they can exceed the speed the 70 mph limit in this country....

As a lefty, we know how to use things the wrong way for us, my left hand goes on the left hand position on a chainsaw... the right in the right hand... doing it any other way would be stupid

 

[zzr1200]

As a lefty, we know how to use things the wrong way for us, my left hand goes on the left hand position on a chainsaw... the right in the right hand... doing it any other way would be stupid

I'm not saying you don't, but I know 2 people who are left handed, when they pick up a saw, I just walk away it just frightens me just to watch...

 

[pcwizme]

I'm not saying you don't, but I know 2 people who are left handed, when they pick up a saw, I just walk away it just frightens me just to watch...

I presume then they have had no training, as when I did mine you were left with no question on how to hold a saw and how to use it safetly

 

[Fred Trevvett]

Fully agree with @pcwizme, I'm a lefty and hold them the conventional way

 

[Migmac]

I'm not saying you don't, but I know 2 people who are left handed, when they pick up a saw, I just walk away it just frightens me just to watch...

I’ve worked beside to left handed people working chainsaws left handed. Like you I don’t watch.

 

[Fred Trevvett]

Fully agree with @pcwizme, I'm a lefty and hold them the conventional way

Having said that when I (infrequently) use my 200t one handed, I sometimes use my left hand, depending on what cut I'm doing

 

[dobbslc]

Fully agree with @pcwizme, I'm a lefty and hold them the conventional way

I'm a lefty and hold mine with my right hand on the throttle, it's cack handed as hell but the thing is designed to be used that way or the brake won't work properly if you get a kick back.

 

[8ob]

Having said that when I (infrequently) use my 200t one handed, I sometimes use my left hand, depending on what cut I'm doing

Have you seen the prices those old 200t`s are fetching? Seem to have a bit of a following, god knows why.

Bob

 

[Fred Trevvett]

Yes but I use it too much to get rid of it

 

[zzr1200]

I presume then they have had no training, as when I did mine you were left with no question on how to hold a saw and how to use it safetly

One of them is a construction site manager...

 

[Fred Trevvett]

You can train someone to do a job correctly but you can't force them to. If he/she continues to do something incorrectly then it will only be their fault when it goes wrong

 

[Moose McAlpine]

Have you seen the prices those old 200t`s are fetching? Seem to have a bit of a following, god knows why.

Bob

Most overrated saw. Yeah, it has decent power to weight, but they have a bunch of common problems and the anti-vibe isn't very good. Americans bang on like they're the best thing ever.

Much prefer my T540, ****** all over 200Ts as far as i'm concerned.

 

[Justme]

I was very surprised by the Project Farm review, it's almost like he had a bad Stihl unit as I think he had a 220 or 200 and he was stalling it out yet I've wathced videos where those MSA220 cut through logs quicker than a MS251 petrol unit.

Either they have a pro petrol agenda or they just dont know how to use a battery saw.

A different style is needed.

 

[123hotchef]

Either they have a pro petrol agenda or they just dont know how to use a battery saw.

A different style is needed.

different style indeed! my mains powered one has so much torqu no need to get it up to speed before cutting not the the wee petrol echo

 

[123hotchef]

first tank of fuel has gone through the saw now
a few questions
1. how often should I be removing the bar and cleaning the crud out, I also read to rotate it 180 deg
2. how often to sharpen the blade, I use to sharpen the leccie one after I used it every time
3. how often to clean the air filter
4 what other maintance and how often should it be done?

 

[123hotchef]

Not a bad little saw for the money. A little faster than the leccie one perhaps.

 

[Fred Trevvett]

first tank of fuel has gone through the saw now
a few questions
1. how often should I be removing the bar and cleaning the crud out, I also read to rotate it 180 deg
2. how often to sharpen the blade, I use to sharpen the leccie one after I used it every time
3. how often to clean the air filter
4 what other maintance and how often should it be done?

1. When the chain stops moving
2. When it starts to make dust rather than shavings
3. When you pop the cover and think wow how was that getting any air through
4. None, never

That's what works for me, I'm sure someone else will have better suggestions though

 

[123hotchef]

1. When the chain stops moving
2. When it starts to make dust rather than shavings
3. When you pop the cover and think wow how was that getting any air through
4. None, never

That's what works for me, I'm sure someone else will have better suggestions though

you know that will happen too with all the good intentions in the world!