Seadog
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I don't know if it was something nationwide, but in a local hire place, my good mate was asked for one. (He had one). His chainsaw wasn't working and he needed one quick for a job. If that info isn't right. I stand corrected, thank you.
James1979
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Speedy Hire used to insist on a ‘Chainsaw Licence’ which doesn’t exist.
**** covering in the extreme.
Migmac
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The law regarding chainsaws is stupid. You can go buy a saw without having any training or experience in using saws. These tools are dangerous, use them to fell a tree when you have had no training is mental. There are so many things to consider, some obvious, some not so obvious. I’m surprised HSE haven’t tried to stop the sale of saws to untrained people.
https://www.kingswoodtraining.com/chainsaw-training-courses/ Licencing doesn't exist?
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That is why I have never purchased a petrol one I was always a bit scared.
Robbie260
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My girlfriend was horrified that since I was 8 I have used a chain saw with no training or Ppe what’s so ever or supervision. I’m not bragging or saying it’s right and now I actually have one I have all the very very good quality safety kit to go with it. But I still haven’t had any formal training and the ex forestry guy I did a job with and felled a whole load of trees with said I was very safe and could do things properly and he comes from way back in the good old days so I mean it’s down to how sensible you are and responsible you are as a person and weather or not you can engage your brain and use the common sense function that so many people lack. Everything is as safe as you make it basically.
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100%. The industry is very self regulated as far as is possible through main dealers. Especially with top handled saws.
Stihl make you have an induction with every purchase unless you’re a pro. Not sure if every dealer does it but they’re supposed to and they’ll lose their dealership if they get caught not. Stihl take it very seriously.
Pal who’s a dealer was telling me about it a few years back. Reckoned stihl say if they invented it now it would never get off the drawing board and they don’t want excuses to ban them.
Anyone remember German nationals not being able to climb trees in the 90’s? They got round it by using foreign climbers but the law remained for a long time. Think they use MEWPs a lot now. That’s why the developed the pole saw (chainsaw on a stick!) so they can be used from a basket
Nope!
That’s a course which provides training and a certificate of competency on completing the assessment.
Sorry to be a pedant but chainsaw operation is not licensable and never has been. People seem to think it is for some reason I’ve no idea.
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I'm afraid I don't agree on this...there is something to be said for being able to slice cleanly through a trunk at whatever angle you choose and have enough bar to do so. Particularly if you are professional and time is money. Sorry not trying to come across all disagreeable, just putting forward my opinion
Iam very much the same. My father had a small forestry business and after school and weekends I used to cut and split logs for pocket money. Using a 70cc jonsereds with no ppe
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Common sense does help but like you say not everyone has it. You sound very competent but there will be techniques and methods you won’t know.
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Exactly there is plenty of stuff I don’t know but the key is to know you don’t know and know when to stop if you get my drift.
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Me and my pal next door use to go round decimating the local roddy population without any real permission and then flogging them to the old dears around the place as fire wood along with any fallen tree we could lay our mits on it was all rather questionable leagally.
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There is nothing in the law that stops hire shops hiring them out, it's those companies policies that do that, because they are not willing to give a hand over/training to the hirer in case they are sued by a numpty user.
You can purchase any chainsaw you want legally even a top handle saw, top handles are designed to be used in one hand (some of the time).
Some H&S seat polisher has deemed that Top Handle Saws are very dangerous and you need a special cert for them, all chainsaws are dangerous, even those little battery pruning ones, it depends totally on the person using it....
I knew a seller that wouldn't sell me top handle without a training certificate (as a private person for my own use, I don't need one even under H&S regs), but he would sell me a Husky 3120 with a 60 inch bar no problem.
So I ordered one on line.. simple.
Now this statement will be mis-understood by some, BUT:- A gun leaning in the corner of a room with the safety on or off with one up the spout is totally safe until someone picks it up, its not the object that unsafe its the idiot on the end....
zzr1200
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Not much use if someone is collecting but not the user
We use agency drivers at times to deliver our machines to site, they don't have any form of training for hand overs to customers.....
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It was actually a surgeons tool to assist in child birth
James1979
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You’re right as far as the law goes. You can buy and use what you like. Within reason.
The saw dealership self regulate strictly as they don’t want top handle saws banned. It was on the cards for a while.
From their perspective as a home user you’ve no business needing one therefore you’re unlikely to have been trained in using it and more importantly not using it. They are a different beast from a back handled one.
That’s why they wouldn’t sell you one I would think.
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I've never had trouble buying stuff there before, they had over time sold me loads of stuff for chainsaws (saws, engine parts/bars/chains). Now they didn't refuse to sell me, climbing spikes, harness and rope, so it was a stupid really, I even said to the guy I'll just use that standard saw you sold me last year.
And they never asked me what I done for a living.
I agree a top handle demands more respect than a standard one, but it's the same basic operation just in a different shape and location.
The salesman was hiding behind a non-existing H.S.E. law and made himself look an idiot and they held the Queens Warrant for Forestry Equipment supply at the time.
I never did shop there again, just went to a place down the road that used their brains instead and respected their customers....
