Big SpaceX Launch Today?

[Ross365]

I think the point is...if you remove say 1 million humans from earth aren't you reducing/removing their environmental impact...and if you do it by emitting less pollution than said humans would create on earth...then the net impact is that it's good for the planet.

What about turning those million people in to food - would that help?

Re Musk's guide vanes, I think the Russians had them on some ICBM's many years ago. Also of Russian origin is Musk's way of having very many small engines rather than just a few really big ones. It seems like SpaceX are happy to copy what they think works for them.

I gather that the Saturn V at Kennedy is now indoors and well-restored? I was there in the early 90's when it had been sitting outside for 20 years and was already looking quite sad in the marine environment. IIRC, the Saturn had a million Swagelok fittings on the various bulkheads .

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

What about turning those million people in to food - would that help?

Into green biscuits

They also borrowed the mathematics for stealth too from the USSR...although to be fair it was the US that realised the potential.

 

[fizzy]

What about turning those million people in to food - would that help?

Re Musk's guide vanes, I think the Russians had them on some ICBM's many years ago. Also of Russian origin is Musk's way of having very many small engines rather than just a few really big ones. It seems like SpaceX are happy to copy what they think works for them.

I gather that the Saturn V at Kennedy is now indoors and well-restored? I was there in the early 90's when it had been sitting outside for 20 years and was already looking quite sad in the marine environment. IIRC, the Saturn had a million Swagelok fittings on the various bulkheads .

Yes Saturn V indoors now. Bit hard to see as you are too close to it.
It must be rather upsetting for all concerned than many people now think it was all a con
At the height of the Apollo programme they had 400,000 people working on it! Yes you can say it was a waste of money - but it did provide a lot of good quality jobs for many people so why not?
I notice NASA are very keen not to mention their links to Werner Von Braun and the V2 that made it all possible. He should have been prosecuted for war crimes rather than treated like a hero and made the head of their research. Apparently he did repent in later years.

 

[Ross365]

I notice NASA are very keen not to mention their links to Werner Von Braun and the V2 that made it all possible. He should have been prosecuted for war crimes rather than treated like a hero and made the head of their research. Apparently he did repent in later years.

The issue of von Braun is complicated. I think you'd have to agree that unless you and your extended family got out of Germany before 1933 (like many of the Jewish scientists like Einstein), then you were is a country where your freedom of choice was non-existent.

As I understand it, the treaty signed after WW I did not restrict anyone working on rockets and the German army funded VvB's work. Later on, the SS tried to get VvB to agree to them pushing the army out and to them taking control, VvB resisted that. They arrested him and sent him to a prison in Poland, usually a one-way trip. The Army commanders had to hurriedly appeal directly to Hitler to release him, and reluctantly (it ****** off Goring) Hitler did release him.

I think it's also interesting that the V2 was not operational until it was too late to make a difference. To what extent did VvB hold it back? If it had been operational on D-Day, history might have been different.

This is something that can be argued about endlessly, but getting put inside a Polish prison seems to suggest VvB was not an enthusiastic member of "Team Hitler".

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

I visited mission control in Houston Texas...that was worth the trip. I was doing some work out there and it was too good an opportunity to miss.

That SaturnV is truly massive!

 

[Brad93]

The space link satellites will ruin the night sky

 

[Ross365]

I visited mission control in Houston Texas...that was worth the trip. I was doing some work out there and it was too good an opportunity to miss.
That SaturnV is truly massive!

At NASA's centre in Huntsville they have two Saturn V's. One is a real one which could have flown, and that is on its side. The other is a full size replica and that is vertical. Hard to say, but the vertical one maybe the one that hit's home, especially at night when it's brightly lit up.

 

[Pete.]

I notice NASA are very keen not to mention their links to Werner Von Braun and the V2 that made it all possible. He should have been prosecuted for war crimes rather than treated like a hero and made the head of their research. Apparently he did repent in later years.

Far as I know he was just a rocket scientist. What war crimes did he commit?

 

[Brad93]

None unlike the chemical scientists america bought over

 

[fizzy]

Far as I know he was just a rocket scientist. What war crimes did he commit?

They used loads of slave labour from the concentration camps. Many of whom died. He must have been aware of that.

 

[fizzy]

The issue of von Braun is complicated. I think you'd have to agree that unless you and your extended family got out of Germany before 1933 (like many of the Jewish scientists like Einstein), then you were is a country where your freedom of choice was non-existent.

As I understand it, the treaty signed after WW I did not restrict anyone working on rockets and the German army funded VvB's work. Later on, the SS tried to get VvB to agree to them pushing the army out and to them taking control, VvB resisted that. They arrested him and sent him to a prison in Poland, usually a one-way trip. The Army commanders had to hurriedly appeal directly to Hitler to release him, and reluctantly (it ****** off Goring) Hitler did release him.

I think it's also interesting that the V2 was not operational until it was too late to make a difference. To what extent did VvB hold it back? If it had been operational on D-Day, history might have been different.

This is something that can be argued about endlessly, but getting put inside a Polish prison seems to suggest VvB was not an enthusiastic member of "Team Hitler".

The V2 was not a good weapon of war. Far too expensive. A Mosquito could carry double the payload 5x further. It was an amazing achievement all the same.
Hardest part to get right was the turbo pumps for the fuel. People say a rocket is nothing but the housing for a pump. It's the most important and hardest part to make.

 

[julianthegypsy]

The V2 was not a good weapon of war. Far too expensive. A Mosquito could carry double the payload 5x further. It was an amazing achievement all the same.
Hardest part to get right was the turbo pumps for the fuel. People say a rocket is nothing but the housing for a pump. It's the most important and hardest part to make.

As I understand it, the only difference between V1 and V2 was that the V2 was a big rocket that looked much more impressive on take off for Mr Hitler.

 

[Pete.]

As I understand it, the only difference between V1 and V2 was that the V2 was a big rocket that looked much more impressive on take off for Mr Hitler.

V1 was a flying machine powered by a jet motor. V2 was a missile propelled by a rocket motor. Couldn't get much different apart from they both moved through the air.

 

[Popcorn]

The issue of von Braun is complicated. I think you'd have to agree that unless you and your extended family got out of Germany before 1933 (like many of the Jewish scientists like Einstein), then you were is a country where your freedom of choice was non-existent.

As I understand it, the treaty signed after WW I did not restrict anyone working on rockets and the German army funded VvB's work. Later on, the SS tried to get VvB to agree to them pushing the army out and to them taking control, VvB resisted that. They arrested him and sent him to a prison in Poland, usually a one-way trip. The Army commanders had to hurriedly appeal directly to Hitler to release him, and reluctantly (it ****** off Goring) Hitler did release him.

I think it's also interesting that the V2 was not operational until it was too late to make a difference. To what extent did VvB hold it back? If it had been operational on D-Day, history might have been different.

This is something that can be argued about endlessly, but getting put inside a Polish prison seems to suggest VvB was not an enthusiastic member of "Team Hitler".

Your way off the mark here, he was a early member of the Nazi Party and a officer in the SS.........

 

[Trevorleach]

What about turning those million people in to food - would that help?

Re Musk's guide vanes, I think the Russians had them on some ICBM's many years ago. Also of Russian origin is Musk's way of having very many small engines rather than just a few really big ones. It seems like SpaceX are happy to copy what they think works for them.

I gather that the Saturn V at Kennedy is now indoors and well-restored? I was there in the early 90's when it had been sitting outside for 20 years and was already looking quite sad in the marine environment. IIRC, the Saturn had a million Swagelok fittings on the various bulkheads .

Sad fact they still use swagelock fititngs on gas hgvs.

 

[stuvy]

Is this musk rocket the 3D printed one that failed twice before?

They had no budget for a third as we didn’t get a single order for the wire to print them

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

The real achievement is cost efficiency...cost per launch will be insanely low (per kg) Vs say the NASA SLS.

 

[stuvy]

The real achievement is cost efficiency...cost per launch will be insanely low (per kg) Vs say the NASA SLS.

Just finished working with a company for just shy of 2 years that did printing

Need to wait a few days before I give my full view on this subject

 

[fizzy]

Is this musk rocket the 3D printed one that failed twice before?

They had no budget for a third as we didn’t get a single order for the wire to print them

No totally different.
Sounds like interesting technology.
They launched a few weeks ago. It wasn't a total failure so they will get more funding.

 

[stuvy]

No totally different.
Sounds like interesting technology.
They launched a few weeks ago. It wasn't a total failure so they will get more funding.

Watch the bbc programme about it

They were out of funds and about to pull the plug

Inside knowledge confirms this