plastic use /landfill hypocrite's?

[nickk]

Re plastic straws,i priced some components for a paper straw making machine 2 years ago,don’t know what became of it ,though I’ve had them in my drink from independent cafes ,were at least 17 miles from the nearest McDonald’s,thank god.

 

[reb78]

What's your preference?

Tea. Made with loose leaves in a teapot

 

[Morrisman]

The notion of reusable glass bottles being

Re plastic straws,i priced some components for a paper straw making machine 2 years ago,don’t know what became of it ,though I’ve had them in my drink from independent cafes ,were at least 17 miles from the nearest McDonald’s,thank god.

Wasn't it Starbucks who crowed loudly a couple of years ago, how they were changing to paper straws, to save the world.

Yet they came supplied in individual plastic wrappers......

 

[Kayos]

We can all pick and point at daft things but have to remember the "green" policies of government are often rushed and poor, and many big companies struggle with execution

That is me speaking as someone who works for a big company, delivering energy conservation and carbon reduction projects.......

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

The heavy paper bags you see in American shops seems the obvious answer I don’t know why the Uk doesn’t use them. I agree completely about plastic wrapped fruit and veg.

As a kid I'd go with my mum to the local market on the bus...buy fruit and veg which was always sold in paper bags.

It's like we've forgotten how to be sensible.

 

[Kayos]

As a kid I'd go with my mum to the local market on the bus...buy fruit and veg which was always sold in paper bags.

It's like we've forgotten how to be sensible.

Paper bags were phased out to save the trees we were murdering to make them. Plastic was the saviour and solution to all of our problems

 

[8ob]

Paper bags were phased out to save the trees we were murdering to make them. Plastic was the saviour and solution to all of our problems

Realistically plastic isn't the problem, there is no excuse for all of it not to be made recyclable. The rest of the problem is the way the great unwashed discard it and the way some countries are allowed to dump it into the sea. Its no different to a gun and a bullet, both completely harmless until they get into the hands of an idiot

Bob

 

[Kayos]

Realistically plastic isn't the problem, there is no excuse for all of it not to be made recyclable. The rest of the problem is the way the great unwashed discard it and the way some countries are allowed to dump it into the sea. Its no different to a gun and a bullet, both completely harmless until they get into the hands of an idiot

Bob

Apologies the sarcasm in my post wasn't clearer.
Plastic is easy to sort and recycle, it just costs money and that is the problem

 

[Morrisman]

Realistically plastic isn't the problem, there is no excuse for all of it not to be made recyclable. The rest of the problem is the way the great unwashed discard it and the way some countries are allowed to dump it into the sea. Its no different to a gun and a bullet, both completely harmless until they get into the hands of an idiot

Bob

In the Philippines it is/was standard practise for garbage trucks to simply back up to rivers and dump their entire contents in. It is horrifying and infuriating to see, but they just don't care.

The last few years they have made major changes in the country, but probably far, far short of what's really needed.

 

[stuvy]

In the Philippines it is/was standard practise for garbage trucks to simply back up to rivers and dump their entire contents in. It is horrifying and infuriating to see, but they just don't care.

The last few years they have made major changes in the country, but probably far, far short of what's really needed.

Poor education?

 

[gaz1]

Poor education?

not poor education

dont care, too much hard work, greed is at the top with companys

the uk was just as bad bed pans was just tiped out of windows straight onto the street as many owners just didnt care didnt want to create sewers or sewer runaway systems to get rid of the pee and crap

During the hot summer of 1858, also known as the “Great Stink of London”, the hot temperatures created an intolerable stench from the River Thames, this prompted planning to create a modern sewerage system.

and its still the same now

 

[stuvy]

not poor education

dont care, too much hard work, greed is at the top with companys

the uk was just as bad bed pans was just tiped out of windows straight onto the street as many owners just didnt care didnt want to create sewers or sewer runaway systems to get rid of the pee and crap

During the hot summer of 1858, also known as the “Great Stink of London”, the hot temperatures created an intolerable stench from the River Thames, this prompted planning to create a modern sewerage system.

and its still the same now

That’s why I say poor education as we progressed and some parts of the world haven’t

 

[gaz1]

That’s why I say poor education as we progressed and some parts of the world haven’t

its really not that

the poor can create a sewer system rather well the type is by channels or by piping the sewage away with also flush water to aid it

the poor need money to feed themselves and there familys so anyone goes out to work including children whilst the elderly stay at home (elderly is still youngish to a degree )

whilst digging a channel is the easiest method its not for washing down crap or other things down that sewer channel the stink of the uk canals

the pipe method being the best method you still need water pump users to pump the flush water to a tank and for someone to flush it

this takes money and whos feeding them the village ?

but you still have to make that pipe or aquaduct system to channel it

 

[gaz1]

im going to pull this post back as the new waste is now recycling incineration instead

the council cover up is at end of the program

 

[joebog1]

Video not available gaz, or have I missed the point ?

Joe

 

[addjunkie]

Apologies the sarcasm in my post wasn't clearer.
Plastic is easy to sort and recycle, it just costs money and that is the problem

I concur, its one area where possibly our great leaders who waste billions should perhaps invest or at least promote investment.
insulation is another sheeps wool fully recyclable, kingspan to landfill.

plastic is progress we were told. Old metal drums in the sea or rivers rusted and broke up, to base materials. Plastic ones just bob about!

I remember flying low over the mouth of the Congo River where it meets the Atlantic near Soyo, en route from Cabinda to Luanda. The amount of rubbish in the river flow out to sea in the rainy season is obsecene.

 

[prepman]

Good programme. Didn't find any surprises though. Few points. (long may CH4 be independent) Good point about expansion creating more demand.
1) How much does the consumer pay in hidden charges for the packaging?
2) We burn oil and plastic is made from oil...so?
3) Still beats landfill.
4) Supermarkets generate single use plastic so as not to require food hygiene handling standards. Ironically if you buy it from the instore deli counter, they package it there instead.
So unless we all (globally) change our shopping practises and go back to the days before pre-packaged food, nothing will change. That is something that isn't going to happen, at least not in my lifetime. There was an outcry in the 60's when Schweppes launched the 1st non-returnable bottle. There was outrage at first and then sullen acceptance. I was concerned then.
Single use plastics and a world population of 8 Billion. What could possibly go wrong?
Plus sending plastic packaged Aid to the 3rd world is a recipe for disaster.
Stopped buying steaks from Lidls because of the packaging. Ridiculous...like a DVD case.
On brighter note bought kitchen roll in a paper packaging in Sainsburys Barnstable. Pity the tissue itself contains plastic.

 

[Keith 66]

I see it every time i walk the dog, plastic bags full of dog crap waving like the devils xmas decorations from bushes. I go down the creek & i see hundreds of black lumps in the bed of the creek, each one a black sack full of someones garbage from a houseboat up the top of the creek, I flagged it up with the Port of London Authority, Council & Environment agency 20 years ago but nothing was done nor will be done, The sea is more full of plastic than i have ever seen it.
Every year our wildfowlers club does a marsh clean up, we pick tons of stuff off the seawall but are peeing into the wind.
Truly we are living in the plasticene era.

 

[prepman]

I see it every time i walk the dog, plastic bags full of dog crap waving like the devils xmas decorations from bushes. I go down the creek & i see hundreds of black lumps in the bed of the creek, each one a black sack full of someones garbage from a houseboat up the top of the creek, I flagged it up with the Port of London Authority, Council & Environment agency 20 years ago but nothing was done nor will be done, The sea is more full of plastic than i have ever seen it.
Every year our wildfowlers club does a marsh clean up, we pick tons of stuff off the seawall but are peeing into the wind.
Truly we are living in the plasticene era.

The dog poo is less of an issue than the bag.

 

[redlig]

I've already got one of those and I can tell you it's too windy!
I think all manufacturers should be taxed according the damage their particular products cause to the environment. Therefore more sustainable packaging equals less tax. I bet fast food outlets would stop using the millions of expanded polystyrene that are always blowing around in favour of something better.

Perhaps semi edible packaging to match the semi edible contents. Result ,no litter.