Sherman Tig (Jasic in disguise?)

[Kram]

Restricting sales to UK is nothing to do with brexit and is common, even if forbidden by eu law.

Remeber DVD's had regions, designed to prevent cheaper grey imports from working in your dvd player, so as to allow western price fixing.

I remember years back, there was shop selling asian market ps1/ps2 console games to the UK. Perfectly legal to do and no court would stop them, so Sony bankrupted them by sueing from 20 different countries or so at the same time. Legal costs made it impossible to defend, problem solved for Sony.

Not fair, but you cant get in the way of big business profits.

 

[st_]

Still don't know if this is the case; if a company can forbid another company to sell an item, is it because it's a copy or a fake? If they are manufactured at the same factory, then Sherman has the same rights to sell I guess.
Or maybe they can forbid Jasic to sell it to expensive.......... Oh, guess that won't count he?

Sherman does have the right to sell them, there is no law against it.
But if Jasic puts pressure on their chinese manufacturer, telling them not to supply Sherman because they are selling too cheap, and they have enough leverage, then that's that.
This is also what Weldes has said - that there will be no more Sherman 206P if they don't stop advertising in the UK, not that there will be any legal trouble.

The question is if one wants to support a company that protects their market share by supression of the competition, rather that added value?
All of this is bad advertising for Jasic, and they should know it.
The smart reaction would have been to stay ahead of the competition, heavily discount and then discontinue this model and replace it with something slightly better that "justifies" the price.
This way they are basically telling everyone their service is not worth the markup, in their own eyes.

 

[Munkul]

Jasic machines are priced around what the market will bear in the UK. If they have an almost identical product for less than half the price from Sherman, then it's bad news for Jasic... Especially when the sort of people who buy Jasic are very much about the cost, in the first place.
Since they manufacture all of the machines themselves, they can simply threaten to cut off supply to Sherman if they don't cut back on volume. Problem solved.

It truly was too good to last, and you all knew it.

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

I think we've had a good run....plenty of time for everyone to fill their boots.

I doubt they'll cut the supply...they'll just constrain the main dealers to their local market....refusing to ship to the UK I think technically isn't price fixing once we are out of the EU!. Pretty sure they can be had from other suppliers...probably best not to post them on here though.

 

[DavidL]

Agreed wholeheartedly; many have had ample chance to get in, and you can bet this won't be the last bargain welder. If you haven't, there's other suppliers easily found (though perhaps not as cheap), and there's always the intermediary drop-ship (sorry not the right term) options.

I'd tend to agree with those who think this has damaged jasic's (and their local agent's) rep - it's hard to see it any other way. The local (wilkinson star?) support package was already presumably worth the extra cash if you were using the machine for income anyway.

As earlier pointed out, I don't think jasic are *that* concerned about their rep based on past events that I learned about in this thread (jasic incident etc). They've a lucrative UK market and are presumably, under pressure from their local agent, doing their best to avoid it being undercut.

If you're after a budget "possible jasic", and missed this - then there have been a few other looky-likeys on this thread that are cheaper again and would be worth a punt and pull apart to see the differences. The next thread will be the welder fantasy one, I'd guess

What this thread has taught me (which I suppose we already knew!) is to not pay too much attention to the badge on the front/side. It turns out that much of our local market stuff doesn't actually have the promised uprated components and designs; we're just muppets who will pay more (tongue in cheek before anyone flames me)

Thanks again to @MetalMonkey for starting it off and @chrisg3103 for buying, I think, the first. I certainly wouldn't have taken the plunge without seeing Chris's brief write up. Much appreciated!

 

[Ruffian]

Problem is it might not be jasic,
As they are the maker and Wilkinson star are the uk distributors so may be an issue with them rather than jasic.

 

[veesix]

A selling point for the WilkinsonStar/JASIC UK branded machines is the 5 year warranty. Maybe they should've marketed a "hobby"/more affordable version of the 200P with a reduced warranty.

 

[Munkul]

There's always "bargain" chinese £500 AC/DC welders... it just so happened that this time, they were made by a company who makes reasonable quality machines.

Now they've realised their error in selling the same thing cut-price, it'll be back to business as usual, no doubt.

It happens across the board... ESAB, Miller, Lorch, Lincoln, they're all at it, trying to keep the prices around a certain level nation-wide. They have to... it's to protect their dealers and aftersales, as much as anything else.

 

[st_]

Problem is it might not be jasic,
As they are the maker and Wilkinson star are the uk distributors so may be an issue with them rather than jasic.

Don't forget Jasic isn't really a brand outside the UK. Their German distributor ELKRAFT is a joke, and the US office (Razorweld) isn't anything to write home about either (although at least they have lettering on the building). So Jasic will continue to supply many different brands, otherwise they wouldn't have anywhere near the output they claim to have.

Besides, I doubt the differences in this price bracket are that significant.
Yea sure, I hope to receive a decent welder that isn't held together solely by cable ties and hot snot, but I'm under no illusion that I will receive Fronius quality for that sort of money.
I can't shake the impression that some are making Jasic quality out to be more than it really is, just because some importer charged a bit more and slapped a decent warranty on top.

 

[Tangledfeet]

Looks like the 206P is still available from other places... perhaps they've yet to get the memo?

 

[MetalMonkey]

Perhaps it is best not to post where to get it from in the thread which causes the listings to be removed as it is presumably being watched.

 

[PSweeney]

It's likely to be that Jasic licensed the Sherman to be built for the central European market and it's dealers are limited to only sell in the territories they're authorised to, not uncommon but not exactly ethical. The issue here is that a manufacturer is making a product under another brand name, either directly or licensed in order to make it affordable to different countries in the EU. So this really highlights the contradiction that is the EU, easy access for those to sell, no benefit for the consumer as its rigged from the start.

 

[Munkul]

Don't forget Jasic isn't really a brand outside the UK. Their German distributor ELKRAFT is a joke, and the US office (Razorweld) isn't anything to write home about either (although at least they have lettering on the building). So Jasic will continue to supply many different brands, otherwise they wouldn't have anywhere near the output they claim to have.

This is a really good point. I actually thought Jasic was marketed worldwide, and the only exception was Razorweld... with a small amount of manufacturing for other off-brands. Seems I was wrong.

What is strange, is I can't get onto the jasictech .com website or the razorweld one.

There's no doubt that they've specifically flooded the UK market with machines, though. They're for sale everywhere. Really annoys me, to be honest, it's another constant reminder that Big China has an impact everywhere in our lives. The 5 year warranty is a bit of a sour joke, too.

 

[Tangledfeet]

Perhaps it is best not to post where to get it from in the thread which causes the listings to be removed as it is presumably being watched.

Good call; I'll report my post and ask for the image to be removed

 

[Chris Snow]

Silly thing is you can buy a genuine Jasic in mainland Europe for sensible money, just that Jasic UK are greedy!

 

[Menno Bruinen]

It arrived, took 6 days from Poland to the Netherlands.
Hope for you UK guys and dolls there will be a possibility to get hold of the Sherman for a good price again!

By the way, the Jasic is priced around €900,- here in Holland.

Aloha.

 

[paulo1974]

What About buying the jasic welder outside of the uk for 300 euros and do the warranty in the uk? They are oblidge to repair it in the uk at no cost because it's a jasic

 

[Tangledfeet]

What About buying the jasic welder outside of the uk for 300 euros and do the warranty in the uk? They are oblidge to repair it in the uk at no cost because it's a jasic

No, warranty in UK & Ireland limited to those purchased through Wilkinson Star:

All new JASIC welders, plasma cutters and multi-process units sold through our partner Wilkinson Star Limited within the United Kingdom & Ireland shall be warrantied to the original owner, non transferable, against failure due to defective materials or production. The warranty period is 2 years following the date of purchase or 5 years if you register online within 28 days of purchase.

 

[Menno Bruinen]

No, warranty in UK & Ireland limited to those purchased through Wilkinson Star:

All new JASIC welders, plasma cutters and multi-process units sold through our partner Wilkinson Star Limited within the United Kingdom & Ireland shall be warrantied to the original owner, non transferable, against failure due to defective materials or production. The warranty period is 2 years following the date of purchase or 5 years if you register online within 28 days of purchase.

Same here, the owner has to apply/register for the additional 3 year warranty.

@paulo1974 if I could get the Jasic for €300,- I would not bother about 5 year warranty, I could live with the 2 year warranty.
Guess this thread would not exist if you could get the Jasic for €300,-.......

 

[Gazz292]

I've still not made an arc with my new welder yet, waiting on BOC to send me all the numbers i need to be able to use my account, so i can go and get a gas cylinder.

But i've been out in the shed pretending to weld... trying to get the movements to feed filler rod, hold the torch, move it and not drop the tungsten onto the metal and so on,
and i'm noticing that the stock torch is a bit cumbersome,

I think mainly it's the stiffness and bulk of the umbilical cord type gas hose/power cable leading upto the stock torch that's the issue.


So i've been thinking that i'll likely not often be welding thicker than 3mm when welding mild steel, so i don't need a 200 amp torch set up for that, and was thinking of going for a 17 sized torch head and handle.

And thus i'm thinking of getting / making up a 17 sized torch, handle, cable, dinse adaptor and so on, so i can quickly plug in the torch i need for the power i'm using,
Would a standard wp17 sized cable/hose be more flexible simple due to it's thinner size? i've read about the CK superflex cables, are there any other (cheaper) ones available?

Whilst i'm at it, i'd adapt the gas fitting on the welder to a rectus 21 quick connect.. ideally by using an M10x1 female threaded rectus fitting... but i can't seem to find one in the uk, other option is to use a 1/4 bsp rectus 21, and a 1/4 to m10x1 bushing, and a good dollop of thread sealant as the gas fitting seals on the cone type internal part usually,
I don't want to open the welder up and change the threaded gas fitting for a bulkhead rectus due to warranty on the welder, even tho that would be by far the easiest way to do this.

These rectus 21 fittings seem used a lot on those water pole window cleaning set ups, are all rectus 21 connectors the same, or are some rated for gas and some for water?