Smart and Brown model M Mk1

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Progress and setbacks.

Need to turn some spacers for the leadscrew shaft that's how it was fitted but wasn't obvious when covered in grime. No biggie. Wouldn't have thought that was standard.

Forward cogs engage well. Reverse cog however has 4mm clearance. Tumbler arm is from a mk 2. Somebody ground off some of the cnut to allow clearance. Wondered if the stud might be cammed to allow small adjustment but haven't had time to punch it out and check. (Doubtful anyway) solution. Bore it out larger and turn a offset spacer. Or find a mk1 arm. Homework required. Won't affect initial use thankfully. Leadscrew later if time allows.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Spot my next issue.

Bed secured. Leadscrew in place. Handles next.

 

[slim_boy_fat]

Spot my next issue.

Worn half nuts?

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Half nuts fine. (I do need to make a new gear to drive the threading dial but not urgent )

As the other tumbler gear doesn't engage I can only drive the saddle left to right. Need to clean up the spare change wheels and see if its possible to add another set temporarily.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Worn half nuts?

Ah. Just watched the video back. Camera app is playing up on my phone. Feeds silky smooth.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

And because I'm impatient.

Lh tool running to the rh and a mm above center.
Not ideal but wanted to see it cut metal. Reasonable finish given the above. Fed it by hand to the right. Didn't skip a beat scraping off a good 1.5mm + very slight taper towards the unsupported end but probably deflection.
Few more jobs to do and I'll do some testing.

 

[God mode restorations]

Key had been sheared New one appears to be holding.

Still got handles to polish and pin. Leadscrew to refit. Tumblers to clean and fit and the bed to bolt down. And tighten the gibs
Now there's defiantly an end in sight. View attachment 122092 View attachment 122093 View attachment 122094 View attachment 122095

Rear tool post. Nice

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Rear tool post. Nice

Aye. Was pleased when I saw that on the eBay add. Look forward to having a test with my parting blade.

Do I mill my tool post to bring all my toolings centers down or do i regrind the lot. In two minds. I'll grind one up for testing purposes before I decide.

All in all I didn't do bad here for £220. Not much missing. A little bit of fettling and a few pieces to make but recon I could have done a lot worse. Cost me less than the myford.

Emailed bracehand (what remains of S&B today to enquire about a few parts and a parts list.

 

[God mode restorations]

Aye. Was pleased when I saw that on the eBay add. Look forward to having a test with my parting blade.

Do I mill my tool post to bring all my toolings centers down or do i regrind the lot. In two minds. I'll grind one up for testing purposes before I decide.

All in all I didn't do bad here for £220. Not much missing. A little bit of fettling and a few pieces to make but recon I could have done a lot worse. Cost me less than the myford.

Emailed bracehand (what remains of S&B today to enquire about a few parts and a parts list.

Yes a bargain mate at that price. My new tool post is slightly to high. I will take 1mm off the bottom to bring it height.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Yes a bargain mate at that price. My new tool post is slightly to high. I will take 1mm off the bottom to bring it height.

May leave mine as is. Got a bigger 4 way in the drawer from a boxford possibly. (Has a round hollow to sit in a round raised section on a compound slide. Be a better candidate for a long term tool post. Need the mill in action before I get too involved in that really. Mind u. I have a half inch collet. Could always mill the post in place.
Turn a disks to mount on the two spare t slots to the left and right and secure the tool post as intended in the middle slot. Should be nice and stiff like that.

Jobs next week. Stripping out and moving around most of the garage and building a new bench out of sleepers for the mill and flypress. If I get time that is. Only booked 2 days next week. Needed some downtime.

 

[Dieselman 63]

It's a lovely feeling seeing it work again isn't it? After my initial 'clean the crud off' disassembly, I rebuilt it and put a 1ph motor on to test the speeds and feeds, very satisfying. You must be pleased

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

It's a lovely feeling seeing it work again isn't it? After my initial 'clean the crud off' disassembly, I rebuilt it and put a 1ph motor on to test the speeds and feeds, very satisfying. You must be pleased

I am. Very impressed with how solid it is. All the ways are tight. No movement when cutting. Spindle is barely registering when I put a dial on it. Still got lots of fiddly bits to do but the worst is over.
Need to get the mill working so I can mod the tumbler bracket now. Be nice to feed right to left. I think the machines saving grace is the factory refurbishment it had at some point in its life.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Zero progress here ATM. Actually -1. The lathe permanent home isn't quite so permanent. Just built some nuts up with weld so they locate in the mill head and noticed while tightening the lathe draw bar on the floor. Dawned on me I can't fit it in its current position.

Only blessing I have a movable butchers table between he lathe and fixed bench so I can nudge it over and reHome the table. Have managed to source a fair few change wheels awaiting boring though.

 

[God mode restorations]

Zero progress here ATM. Actually -1. The lathe permanent home isn't quite so permanent. Just built some nuts up with weld so they locate in the mill head and noticed while tightening the lathe draw bar on the floor. Dawned on me I can't fit it in its current position.

Only blessing I have a movable butchers table between he lathe and fixed bench so I can nudge it over and regime the table. Have managed to source a fair few change wheels awaiting boring though.

It's all fun and games mate..well not so fun at times I admit

 

[Dieselman 63]

I positioned mine against a wall recently, then instantly regretted it as I remembered the changewheel storage and the sump are down there, and would be impossible to refill/access. I'd recommend if you do put it in front of a wall that you leave sufficient clearance down the back for those times you haven't factored in yet where you need to do something down there.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

It's all fun and games mate..well not so fun at times I admit

I used the butchers table so I could remove the motor and leadscrew easily in the future. See was thinking ahead. Left room for the geartrain door to open too. Sometimes you don't see the wood for the trees. At least I'm not gonna have to try and move a 500kg bench. Need 200mm so should still be able to remove the leadscrew.
Mines reversible. Idea being one side is kept fresh for accurate threading the other side for feeds. However its mint condition anyway.

Even the mill is a pita ATM. Made a temp bench. Went to lock the head and the threads have been knackered so I couldn't lift it. New fixings arrived but needed to enlarge the nuts to locate in the hollows. Hopefully I'll get the hoist out tomorrow and start progressing now. Once the mills working I can finish the lathe.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

I positioned mine against a wall recently, then instantly regretted it as I remembered the changewheel storage and the sump are down there, and would be impossible to refill/access. I'd recommend if you do put it in front of a wall that you leave sufficient clearance down the back for those times you haven't factored in yet where you need to do something down there.

I did. All sides. Just forgot about the collet drawerbar.

The only reason for rear access for me is the suds tray. Which I haven't made yet anyway. Something for next year maybe. Doesn't seem important for the small amounts I'll be doing. Squeezy bottle will do and a bucket under the drain.

 

[Dieselman 63]

I did. All sides. Just forgot about the collet drawerbar.

The only reason for rear access for me is the suds tray. Which I haven't made yet anyway. Something for next year maybe. Doesn't seem important for the small amounts I'll be doing. Squeezy bottle will do and a bucket under the drain.

Uni clinked all the Colchester 1800's together front to back - more lathes, less floor space... but now you can't open the change wheel doors

I still don't know how I managed to unfasten the motor and the bed from the base with the machine against the wall, doing it without is fiddly enough. Think about this if you might be moving house soon.

I'm in the same boat atm, very little noticeable work going on - just the boring cabinet to sand, prime and repaint, but I want this to be the last time I take it to bits. Also got the drawer runners to source/make.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Uni clinked all the Colchester 1800's together front to back - more lathes, less floor space... but now you can't open the change wheel doors

I still don't know how I managed to unfasten the motor and the bed from the base with the machine against the wall, doing it without is fiddly enough. Think about this if you might be moving house soon.

I'm in the same boat atm, very little noticeable work going on - just the boring cabinet to sand, prime and repaint, but I want this to be the last time I take it to bits. Also got the drawer runners to source/make.

Its really close. Handles need polishing and fitting and I need to sort the tumbler reverse. Got a few ideas but haven't committed to a plan yet. I only feed head to tail currently. Other than that I need to do some tests and see if it needs tramming.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Rear tool post. Nice

Finally put it to use tonight making a spacer for the mill draw bar. Parted off beautifully once I was on center. No drama.