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that amount of torque on a scaffolding clip, ever so slightly overtight I'd say....
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After some DIY store cheap battery screwdrivers etc. in the old NiMH times, I waited for years to decide on a manufacturer, because I knew one thing:
I want to try to get by with only one battery system.
What I didn't like about Makita was that they are unnecessarily heavy (my opinion) and that you have to know too much about each machine, because with almost identical-looking tools, one can be hot and the other can be a flop.
Besides, I don't like the fanaticism of some true Makita believers.
It was pure luck that I decided on Metabo, which still has its headquarters in the Swabian town of Nürtingen, because a few years later Metabo and eight other manufacturers founded the CAS = Cordless Alliance System, which now includes around 25 manufacturers who all use the identical battery system.
Once something done right.
What's more, their customer service is legendary, at least here in Germany; you wouldn't expect so much generosity from Swabians ...
How widespread is Metabo among you? Do you know them at all?
Carsten
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I want to try to get by with only one battery system.
What I didn't like about Makita was that they are unnecessarily heavy (my opinion) and that you have to know too much about each machine, because with almost identical-looking tools, one can be hot and the other can be a flop.
Besides, I don't like the fanaticism of some true Makita believers.
It was pure luck that I decided on Metabo, which still has its headquarters in the Swabian town of Nürtingen, because a few years later Metabo and eight other manufacturers founded the CAS = Cordless Alliance System, which now includes around 25 manufacturers who all use the identical battery system.
Once something done right.
What's more, their customer service is legendary, at least here in Germany; you wouldn't expect so much generosity from Swabians ...
How widespread is Metabo among you? Do you know them at all?
Carsten
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After some DIY store cheap battery screwdrivers etc. in the old NiMH times, I waited for years to decide on a manufacturer, because I knew one thing:
I want to try to get by with only one battery system.
What I didn't like about Makita was that they are unnecessarily heavy (my opinion) and that you have to know too much about each machine, because with almost identical-looking tools, one can be hot and the other can be a flop.
Besides, I don't like the fanaticism of some true Makita believers.
It was pure luck that I decided on Metabo, which still has its headquarters in the Swabian town of Nürtingen, because a few years later Metabo and eight other manufacturers founded the CAS = Cordless Alliance System, which now includes around 25 manufacturers who all use the identical battery system.
Once something done right.
What's more, their customer service is legendary, at least here in Germany; you wouldn't expect so much generosity from Swabians ...
How widespread is Metabo among you? Do you know them at all?
Carsten
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Metabo were the only ones out of budget for the amount of kit I needed
I have a mains Metabo core drill, the best soft start a
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That's interesting, they're not even the most expensive in our country.
Makita is very proud of its products here and many craftsmen and fans pay for it;
Milwaukee was positioned right at the top as a newcomer, the constant appearance in YT videos should help and specialist retailers saw an opportunity for themselves when they appeared on the German market;
DeWalt has no inherited importance in our country, DIY market, just like Ryobi;
AEG has been known for too long that the name is just an empty shell, they have no meaning any more;
Bosch blue is about to lose its reputation with the Bosch green products and some managment mistakes with the professional machines;
Hilti is unchallenged in what they do, if you need them, you really need a Hilti.
This selection is of course not complete ...
Carsten
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I'll think what was hitatchi/ hikoki in the states is now branded as Metabo , I recently bought the metabo 240v portable bench saw I could have had the cordless but would have meant charger and 36v batts £££££££££ apparently they are the same as the 18/ 36 multi volt hikoki's 
I didn't know that at the time , or verified it's actually true
it would be nice to know though as it would open up another brand with the batts and chargers I have .
I didn't know that at the time , or verified it's actually trueit would be nice to know though as it would open up another brand with the batts and chargers I have .
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Here's the address https://www.cordless-alliance-system.com/index.html
... I can't imagine why ... Have to check if the batteries are indeed the same ....
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Nope ... Hitachi had the chance to change to CAS but didn't take it, MetaboHPT in North America and elsewhere ist not Metabo and not CAS compatible AFA I found out
Metabo was majority-owned by French private equity fund Chequers Capital until November 2015, after the founding families sold their shares in 2012. In November 2015, Metabo was sold to Japanese group Hitachi Koki. A year later, its sale to investor Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. was completed. From 2019 to June 2021, the CEO Horst Garbrecht was also the European head of Koki Holdings.
totally agree, which one did you change to, mines exactly the same... spoils an otherwise excellent drill..
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I've got a Metabo die grinder and it's fantastic, I nearly went for Metabo when I got new drills but Dewalt was higher spec (on paper) for less money. I can't fault the DeWalt bits I've got and really like the 3 speed gearbox on the drill but I would like to try out the cordless Metabo offerings, my dad always had Metabo in the NiCad days, I think he's on Milwaukee now though. Money no object, I'd have Hilti.
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The hikoki ones are no better , I tried to change one once and couldn't understand why it wasn't coming off
ended cutting it off with an angry G only to discover the chuck was glued yes GLUED to the motor spindle with some sort of clear super glue like stuff ! how stupid is that .
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I used to do a lot of work for MAN printing machinery, their field engineers always had Hilti kit, I think they may have been nicad (it was a while back). The 12 volt drills they had were really small and compact but massively torquey compared to even 18v stuff that was around at the time.I've got a Metabo die grinder and it's fantastic, I nearly went for Metabo when I got new drills but Dewalt was higher spec (on paper) for less money. I can't fault the DeWalt bits I've got and really like the 3 speed gearbox on the drill but I would like to try out the cordless Metabo offerings, my dad always had Metabo in the NiCad days, I think he's on Milwaukee now though. Money no object, I'd have Hilti.
Wouldn’t have liked to have been paying for them mind you!!
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What's wrong with that? It held well enough that you couldn't get it off, I'd be happy with that. I'm a big fan of retaining compound, it's usually the cheapest/easiest/neatest way to affix things.The hikoki ones are no better , I tried to change one once and couldn't understand why it wasn't coming off
fixed that for you.....
Glue has it's place, no debate, but a chuck should be a consumable part, they do wear out over time and are designed to be replaced. If the manufacturer glues them in place, they're no longer replaceable without damage, so you're more or less obliged to buy a new drill...... marketing not technical.......
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Exactly the point it's meant to be removeable . and correct in the result knackered gearbox trying to remove itfixed that for you.....
Glue has it's place, no debate, but a chuck should be a consumable part, they do wear out over time and are designed to be replaced. If the manufacturer glues them in place, they're no longer replaceable without damage, so you're more or less obliged to buy a new drill...... marketing not technical.......
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I really rate Metabo, no experience of their more recent stuff but I have one of their mains drills labelled 'made in West Germany', which makes it at least 30 years old and still going strong.After some DIY store cheap battery screwdrivers etc. in the old NiMH times, I waited for years to decide on a manufacturer, because I knew one thing:
I want to try to get by with only one battery system.
What I didn't like about Makita was that they are unnecessarily heavy (my opinion) and that you have to know too much about each machine, because with almost identical-looking tools, one can be hot and the other can be a flop.
Besides, I don't like the fanaticism of some true Makita believers.
It was pure luck that I decided on Metabo, which still has its headquarters in the Swabian town of Nürtingen, because a few years later Metabo and eight other manufacturers founded the CAS = Cordless Alliance System, which now includes around 25 manufacturers who all use the identical battery system.
Once something done right.
What's more, their customer service is legendary, at least here in Germany; you wouldn't expect so much generosity from Swabians ...
How widespread is Metabo among you? Do you know them at all?
Carsten
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I will take a photo. It’s one I had in the drawer. Possibly a makita
when I see people throw dead drills I always take the Chuck off. Got a few. They’re handy for whatever’s. Put a countersink in one for de burring- it’s easier to hold. 