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It is all there. It only needs to be read. It was paragraphed for you.
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It is all there. It only needs to be read. It was paragraphed for you.
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Fixed with an injection of fact.
Data reveals extent of electric vehicle fires around the UK
Unique data gained by CE Safety has revealed a dramatic increase in fires caused by electric vehicle batteries.
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Because Govts never ever make "silly" policy decisions that raise revenue disproportionately from the less well-off, right?
It ought to be "silly" - but that doesn't make what @dobbslc said to be unfeasible, or that it will not happen.
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Well that's not at all in the spirit of things. Please rewrite your post immediately focusing on the cost of sweets and coffee at the services, I bought neither sweets, nor coffee. A Welsh pastie each - but she did have an ice cream and a drink. I had a can of Fanta from the cool-box the length of time it took you to get there traveling at milk float pace, 50, 60 and 70 on occasion. I allocated plenty of time. I even had a nap in a layby for an hour, part way along the A40 the number of times you burst into flames, Just another of those conspirational reasons for hating EVs and the fact that your extension lead wasn't long enough to reach from your house to the final destination.Next time, I will park over the road, after offering the occupants a good deal for charging, and let one of the other ladies park on the garage drive. I have an extension lead in the frunk.
What irked me was that a decent charger would have been so much faster. Nearly an hour and a half for a tad over 50kWh was abysmal - the other time I charged away from home was a steady full maximum of the 75kW charger, for the duration (about 40kWh).
We only really stopped for a P-break on the way home. My wife had a ‘something‘ baguette and I had a tuna mayonaise baguette. Neither of us bought a drink - plenty in the car. No need to make a meal when we got home. We are long retired and she is a terminal cancer sufferer, so no need (generally) to speed anywhere. That extra half hour on the journey-time is not a problem. It’s also potentially safer, on the motorways, when one side is the hard shoulder…. and she can sleep better if we are travelling more sedately, rather than tearing along in the overtaking lane of having to put up with the idiots that change lanes abruptly.
I did suggest that next time we could take an electric kettle, induction hob-plate thingy and pan(s) and have a picnic in the car park. No need to pay motorway service station charges.
That is almost certainly the plan when we go to Scotland.I don't disagree with this at all and fully recognise that there will always be a need for certain groups, if not all, to have personal transport of some kind, and I'm pretty certain I havent suggested otherwise.That's all very well, but there are parts of this country where personal transport is essential because public is beyond a joke. Getting anywhere for appointments on time is simply a logistically nightmare, and as for getting home at a reasonable time afterwards....well, forget it.And don't come with the "Well, you chose to live there" thing, we've heard it all before. 20:20 hindsight is a great thing.
My main point has always been that we should be using the most suitable means of transport available, which for the majority of users, is not a massive diesel powered 4x4.
There will never be a one size fits all solution. Someone who lives in the middle of a city may have no where to charge an EV, but the chances are they are better served with local amenities and public transport.
Likewise someone that lives in the middle of nowhere is unlikely to have access to public transport, but probably has got somewhere to charge an EV.
Ideal solution, better public transport in towns and cities, EV use for rural situations.
Discounting EV on the argument that "I can't charge it because I live in a flat, or because it doesn't burn dinosaurs, or can't currently do a 700 mile round trip without stopping" isn't a solution to our current problems or valid argument in my opinion though.
Being too expensive is a valid argument for an awful lot of people.
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Are you too young to remember that they tried that trick before. Had to change to Council Tax from Poll Tax, after the uproar after scrapping the age-old ‘rating‘ system. No system will be truly fair - we pay the same for refuse collection as a family of 10, even though there are only two of us (who don’t feed on over-packaged convenience foods and take-aways most days of the week.
BTW, it was pigeon … that posted, not dobbslc. Do try to keep up with the plot.
Not too young no... but its a different world now, so a different environment with less & less concern for the lower-income earners.
As for your last... is rude & condescending your default position?
Likewise, at no point have I suggested that we should all be throwing away our current transport and replacing it with an EV. But if you can afford a 40K 4x4 you can afford a 40k EV too.
If your not in the market for a new car, don't buy one, (unless you live in a new low emissions zone, and I think that's as stupid as you probably do for those living there).
But discounting the technology because its currently expensive isn't an argument either. Mobiles, TV's, Fridges, Washing machines, and all the other stuff we take for granted were expensive when they first came out, but mass adoption helps bring costs down and technological improvements.
By the time the ICE engine ban actually comes into force battery tech will have moved on, charging infrastructure will have improved, used vehicles will be more prevelant, and costs will have come down.
So please carry on driving round in your cheaper car, get every mile out of it you can, I certainly am. But when the time comes to replace it, don't discount EV just because it's not suitable for your particular situation today, as that's not a valid argument, and we've got to start sorting out the motoring mess we've created somewhere.
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its on the cards already.
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Fixed with an injection of fact.
Data reveals extent of electric vehicle fires around the UK
Unique data gained by CE Safety has revealed a dramatic increase in fires caused by electric vehicle batteries.
Read this - Norfolk only had 5 EV fires...
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Not any more!We've only got 6 EVs
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A kid's battery scooter which has never been test against any recognized standard counts as a "vehicle" in this case. It would be helpful if figures could be differentiated between 2 and 4 wheel vehicles and and also malicious or accidental fires.
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CTSI issues warning about e-bike and e-scooter battery fires
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Some cars with carp motors like an MGB deserve an EV conversion, but something with a decent engine shouldn't. I nearly put an Alfa 2000 GTV engine in my TVR Vixen to replace the carpy 1600 Ford crossflow but run out if cash and bought a bathroom for my first house instead.
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The link I posted above does, if you can be bothered to scroll down, give a nice pie chart of vehicle type.A kid's battery scooter which has never been test against any recognized standard counts as a "vehicle" in this case. It would be helpful if figures could be differentiated between 2 and 4 wheel vehicles and and also malicious or accidental fires.
CTSI issues warning about e-bike and e-scooter battery fires
For those with limited attention span, here it is. (although it should be titled Percentage of fires by vehicle type).
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Interestingly if you look at the total number of cars on uk roads and how many catch fire each year you could have over 2000 EV fires to be proportionately the same as regular cars. I was quite surprised at that - (ie surprised how many normal cars catch fire - consistently about 100k per year) but I guess the average age of the 2 sets is quite different so it’s probably not as simple as apples for apples.
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I read that. I don't think you read the preceding paragraph
"Broadly speaking, the number of scooters that catch fire are much higher than other vehicles across Britain"
Let's not take anomalies like your pie chart and misuse the data to suggest that cars are more likely to catch fire than knock off electric bike kits. If some miscreants decide to set fire to a yard full of EVs charging in London and burn more EVs there than elsewhere it doesn't automatically mean the cars are unsafe and likely to burst into flames at a moment's notice.
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