Adventures in an all electric vehicle.

[redlig]

How is that relevant?- a concrete wall is the only real PPE that will keep you safe from a 3000degree Celcius fire spitting out bits of molten lithium. The rest of you post adds nothing.
Here's an 'old' event for consideration - would you charge a BEV (or two) in a garage that forms part of your house structure? Admittedly not a frequent occurrence, but if it's your house, it only needs to happen once.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/08/04/tesla-fire/

About 10 or so years ago a model airplane guy had a small LIPO battery charging in his garage (attached to house ) which set the house alight and caused quite a bit of damage. 1200m/ah sized.

 

[Ubique]

That fire was started by an ICE vehicle, was it not? Please don’t try to blame it on a BEV.

There was no mention of BEVs in the several reports I just read, so I expect this is just another attempt to discredit BEVs that doesn’t really hold water!

I was blaming it on bindippers, not BEV's, get over yourself.

 

[GRW]

That fire was started by an ICE vehicle, was it not? Please don’t try to blame it on a BEV.

There was no mention of BEVs in the several reports I just read, so I expect this is just another attempt to discredit BEVs that doesn’t really hold water!

It was a joke man!
A gentle poke at Liverpool & it's "Scallies" appropriating other people's cars - that's how I read it

Edit - crossed over reply with above

 

[GRW]

I was blaming it on bindippers, not BEV's, get over yourself.

Just because I'm paranoid.... doesn't mean they aren't out to get me

 

[premmington]

Just because I'm paranoid.... doesn't mean they aren't out to get me

Nothing wrong with being paranoid mate.

"you believe that other people are trying to harm you or steal from you"

Mostly in modern society they are... It is a very reasonable fear in the year 2023.

 

[GRW]

Nothing wrong with being paranoid mate.

"you believe that other people are trying to harm you or steal from you"

Mostly in modern society they are... It is a very reasonable fear in the year 2023.

Regrettably true that.

 

[premmington]

Regrettably true that.

Maybe not harm or steal - that maybe a bit too strong in general.

But do you feel opressed by other people thougths and ideas being forced on you?

Do you feel - free speech - now does not really mean "free speech".

Not sure I explaining myself very well here - I not that articulate - I only a retard kid.

 

[GRW]

Maybe not harm or steal - that maybe a bit too strong in general.

But do you feel opressed by other people thougths and ideas being forced on you?

Do you feel - free speech - now does not really mean "free speech".

Not sure I explaining myself very well here - I not that articulate - I only a retard kid.

Rip you off perhaps?

Free speech isn't so free - unless you're speech follows the "PC" don't say or think anything that's not going to upset or offend anyone (practically impossible with people queuing up to be offended on behalf of just about everyone else).

I'm not feeling oppressed mind - but I do operate my idiot avoidance system constantly

Mind you - it depends on environment. The OH works for a University, where they have to be up to speed on all the myriad gender pronouns etc, walking on eggshells so as not to have a permanent state of angst. I'd not survive 10-minutes there!

 

[Ubique]

Free speech is fine if you don't stray from the expected narrative - like 'net zero' for example. And god forbid you pollute the groupthink with inconvenient things like 'lived experiences' or 'alternative facts' in the current parlance.

 

[premmington]

Free speech is fine if you don't stray from the expected narrative - like 'net zero' for example.

You Oldgit - you could not help yourself could you! "prod - nerve"

 

[Ubique]

You Oldgit - you could not help yourself could you! "prod - nerve"

If it brightens someones day, then it'll be worth the expected vitriol.

 

[premmington]

If it brightens someones day, then it'll be worth the expected vitriol.

Made me smile...

 

[premmington]

Just as relevant as your post I might suggest?

We need a good, reliable reference to your 3000 Celsius claim. Maybe, perhaps, likely you are quoting Fahrenheit numbers as Celsius - many do.

Here is an extract from a government(?) report on Lithium battery fires:

In an uncontrolled failure of the battery, all that energy and heat increases the hazard risks in terms of fuelling a potential fire. The heat from lithium-ion battery failures can reach up to 400 degrees Celsius in just a matter of seconds, with peak fire temperatures being higher than this.

Peak temperature in excess of 400 Celsius? Yes but not as hot as an oxy-acetylene flame? I would not expect a report to just say “ being higher” if it was over 7 times higher!

Lithium melts at 180 degrees and has already boiled by the time you might get to 3000 degrees. Yep, it boils at 1350 C. Steel melts at around 1500 C.

Exactly how many of your Lithium powered tools, phones, etc have burst into flames? I know that thousands of BEVs have been recalled for a battery change, because of manufacturing faults. It happens. None in the last year, I think. The manufacturers are learning fast. Much, much faster than some most of the BEV opponents.

I insured my vehicle against loss. The premium was not that exorbitant (about the same as the Peugeot 607, actually). I take sensible precautions with my BEV. My home is insured, too.

I am not insured for BEV charging inside our car repair workshop - but oddly I am insured to connect a charger for diagnostic purposes on a faulty vehicle inside (work that one out - if you can?)

I suspect numbers of electric cars are higher in London due to congestion charging.

Charging cars inside a commercial garage putting fire risk, trailing leads etc to one side….while the car is charging, your not working in it, so you in effect have non productive floor space with an overhead cost, makes complete sense to charge it outside in cheaper space and use inside side space to produce revenue.

Makes sense to plug them in outside - the real estate per sq metre in a yard is cheaper than inside - good point raised.



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[premmington]

Fuel lines rupture and fuel then spreads though, and goes very quickly - which was in a report I stuck further up thread.

I struggle to get derv alight when I want a bonfire - end up using petrol or thinners to get it started.

 

[daleyd]

I struggle to get derv alight when I want a bonfire - end up using petrol or thinners to get it started.

Probably nothing to worry about then…

‘How can my BMW burst into flames despite regular servicing?’

Carmaker refuses to take responsibility after an NHS doctor’s car spontaneously ignites

amp.theguardian.com

 

[GRW]

I struggle to get derv alight when I want a bonfire - end up using petrol or thinners to get it started.

Kero works well (much lower flashpoint than diesel). I probably shouldn't have my parts washer filled with the stuff
Brake & Clutch Cleaner does the trick too

 

[premmington]

Probably nothing to worry about then…

‘How can my BMW burst into flames despite regular servicing?’

Carmaker refuses to take responsibility after an NHS doctor’s car spontaneously ignites

amp.theguardian.com

DPF's over heat... Common!

Supprised no body has been killed parking on dry grass/off road in summer when Derv car has been in regen.

 

[GRW]

Probably nothing to worry about then…

‘How can my BMW burst into flames despite regular servicing?’

Carmaker refuses to take responsibility after an NHS doctor’s car spontaneously ignites

amp.theguardian.com

What the hell are BMW using as a fluid to cool the EGR I wonder? Weird to have a flammable agent as the coolant?
(Only engines I've done anything with that had a cooled EGR was a Stage V JCB 6-cyl Dieselmax engine.... & the EGR on that is cooled by the engine coolant - which is definitely not flammable!).

Who'd buy a BMW these days? Apart from the fires & the "not my problem" attitude - IMO the Marque has been trading on past reputation & quality that their recent stuff doesn't have.

 

[GRW]

DPF's over heat... Common!

Supprised no body has been killed parking on dry grass/off road in summer when Derv car has been in regen.

Ah, so its regen of DPF, not EGR fluids igniting that's the issue then?
It's not the Guardian to get anything wrong, surely

 

[premmington]

What the hell are BMW using as a fluid to cool the EGR I wonder? Weird to have a flammable agent as the coolant?
(Only engines I've done anything with that had a cooled EGR was a Stage V JCB 6-cyl Dieselmax engine.... & the EGR on that is cooled by the engine coolant - which is definitely not flammable!).

Who'd buy a BMW these days? Apart from the fires & the "not my problem" attitude - IMO the Marque has been trading on past reputation & quality that their recent stuff doesn't have.

I would not own a BMW myself - I spend most of my days working on them - people love them - they really do!